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Dave, full of shit again. We all tried the stupidity you preach , like "poney" bottles and upreels and the rest long before we moved on to optimal gear. You make some assinine comment about "using enough gear to dive the Britannic". The fact is, you blithering idiot, our guys just DID dive the Britannic using the same config we use for everything else, and got the job done including filming inside the wreck where nobody had ever been able to get, and did it from a drifting boat, Big Time. You are so out of the loop and so out of touch it is ridiculous. You and the rest up there keep up the great work - that is why there is so much for us to explore - you guys can't get it done and don't know why, and you keep any potentially good divers from doing anything that would make it easy for them. Good job, Bigmouth. I am so sick of hearing about NE greats as when they come down here it is embarrasing how bad they are , how little they know, and how really out of touch with reality they have become. You don't know a thing about "drag". We have the Gulfstream and we have to travel huge distances in caves - all drag situations, and we have mastered that with our techniques. You come down here and show us how it is done with your stroke rig. Belinda has to accomodate you clowns, it is his job as Zookeeper up there. Dave Sutton wrote: > > >Dave > > >Its a sorry time when these people have never used any of this equipment > >and condemn it. Jersey upline and pony were a wreck diver staple equipment > >from the early 60 into the 90's and many divers still use this diving > >configuration. There may be different equipment used today but you must > dive > >with what you are comfortable with, and can handle. > >We build a ladder in 1992-3 that a diver wearing all he want to, can > >climb out with everything on. Some divers don't want to take any gear off > and > >that's there business. Ivied been operating a dive vessel since 1961 and > have > >never seen a back mounted pony bottle system fail. The equipment divers > wear > >is only as good as the practice they put into using the equipment. > > Steve, > > Thanks for your kind words. I must say that I was surprised at > the attitude of the list as a whole about the techniques that > have been tried and shown to be usefull for many years, and > about the fact that the new generation of divers has no respect > whatsoever for the guys that designed this gear as the best that > was available at any given moment. Safe techniques of 1 or > 5 or 15 years ago are still safe. Not that there is not better, but > there is more than one safe way. I've been climbing ladders > on all sorts of boats (including yours) with fins on for years. > Happy with 3 finger mitts. Happy with Jersey reel since with > the mitts it's lots easier to use than a cave reel. Happy with a > mini aqua sun and not a canister light. So be it. I see guys > diving the Stolt Dagali with enough gear to dive the Britannic > and it's a joke. There are fully equipped 'technical divers' > out at the quarry every weekend that have never seen salt water. > I wonder how many of them are here expressing opinions on > topics they have never actually tested. There are some gems > here too. All in all a good group. > > That's all. I apologize for allowing myself to be dragged down to > the level of shouting. All who know me recognize that this in not > my style, it is just so frustrating to see our good guys put down. > George sent an email to a friend of mine (without being asked) > after George saw a photo taken off of a EDBA friends boat > (AP on the SL) and essentially said that the diver depicted was unsafe. > Funny that the diver was Ricky J, who as you know first dove the Doria > in '75, and has been there at least 2 or 3 times a year ever since. > The email was one long obscentiy to a -woman- who had A: never > heard of george before, and B: Who's out diving the Choapa > regularly. So what's wrong with this picture? Sending obscene > emails to women who don't even know who you are? > > Poney bottles failing? Never. They are still as usefull as can be. > They only came out of favor as cave divers needed more than the 24 > cubes that we had using the old E bottles. But for a salt water diver > that's plenty to do his normal deco, and that's all that counts. As you > know, 90% of the wreck diving done in the NE has not needed more > than maybe 30 minutes of deco total, and that only on the Choapa > and Goulandris. Putting in the wrong reg given as an excuse? > What ever happened to two different types, and ho does this differ > from using travel-mix VS bottom mix, etc. If you cannot keep your > poney out of your mouth by accident, how can you use trimix? > > Drag? Give me a break. Hoffman, et al, were drag-free > when they dove the Doria back in '66 with wetsuits, 72's and > Royal Aqua Masters. Got 100% of the guys back too, every time. > Since then it's all gone downhill. Drag of a jersey reel and poney > cannot be more than a guy carrying all of that stuff that they pose > with when going to the Oregon and look likethey are diving the > Norness and the U-Who. > > >Captain Steve Bielenda > > A gent in anyones book. One of the few that remembers, since he was there. > Hoffman, Dudas, Roach, Littlejohn, Gimbell, DeCamp, and the rest. > EDA. Bill Hoodiman wrenching the hatch off of the Bass. Roach ID'ing the > Goulandris. > Giants among men. Names to remember. Steve knows it's true. He's > among them too. How many divers have you jumped off your boat, Capt? > Got most of them back, too. We (SL) have gotten back 100% in all of those > years, and dived some rugged stuff, eh skipper? > > George Hoffman would roll over in his grave. > > Regards to all, especially worthy debaters, both friends and non. > Makes no difference, all divers are brothers down deep. > Good shipmates make good friends. > > Dave Sutton > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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