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G> Speaking for myself as an out of towner, I for one would benefit from and use an organized Guide/Mentoring cave diving program as you suggest. Such a service if combined with other dives I can plan with local Florida cave diving friends would make for a more enjoyable and safer vacation. Often, I am faced with being able to schedule just a handful of dives during a weeks vacation, particularly on the weekends when other local friends are available. Unfortunately, this leaves large open blocks of time during the week when I have no available capable and safe diving partners. Others that travel long distances to Northern Florida for cave diving must certainly face this same difficulty. Denis kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > Denis, Smithers is a new "cave diver", as you can see by his comments. > Without knowing anything about this, but being in a slightly different > position than Smithers with regard to cave diving , I will make this one > comment: > > "experienced New York cave diver" is an oxymoron. Cave diving, like > flying a helcopter, is extremly dangerous unless you do it all the time. > > My further opinion, again , without knowing a thing about this accident, > is that we need three things; 1) more spread-out training ( amounting to > more training and "absorbtion" time, 2) we need to have groups that > people who learn this game can dive with ( not WKPP, but simple diving > circles to get time on the job), and 3) we need to enforce this before > cave diving becomes an anachronism. > > The "instructor" community, which includes the NACD and the NSS , both > of which are nothing more than instructor organizations, need to get > busy with a cohesive plan to clean up this sport and make it safer and > more fun for those whom they encourage to take their courses. > > Denis J. Burlage wrote: > > > > Will, > > > > It disturbed me to read your speculative post regarding the cave diving > > fatalities at Madison Blue. You should be able to realize that a tragedy of > > this scope it too significant and sensitive for idle uninformed chatter. > > > > Your opening caveat safety net statement "...this is now third hand, so take it > > for what it's worth.", says it all and confirms my perception or your > > speculative statements. All else that follows your post is conjecture or > > merely gossip and should be left out. You have done yourself and the other > > readers of this list a disservice with your unconfirmed reporting of this cave > > diving tragedy. > > > > Suggest that you stick to the facts or say nothing. Better yet, wait for > > someone that actually knows the facts to come forth. > > > > Denis Burlage > > > > William Smithers wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 Jbdvr@ao*.co* wrote: > > > > > > > does anyone have any info on the fatalities of two cave divers at madison > > > > blue yesterday? > > > > > > Yes, although this is now third hand, so take it for what it's > > > worth. One of the guys was an aquantence of mine, and I've > > > done a few cave dives with him. He was a close friend > > > of my cave partner, so I got the call early. Apparently > > > Lamar Hires did the recovery (I don't know who else). > > > > > > They actually did the dive on Saturday, and weren't found > > > until yesterday. They went 1800ft back (that was apparently > > > the plan), and through a restriction that had a spliced line. > > > Well, they passed that point and were coming back out when > > > they saw that the knot had slipped, and the lines had > > > come apart. Madison is apparently high outflow, so the > > > downstream (toward the exit) side of > > > the line blew a couple hundred of feet downstream, and they > > > had trouble finding it. By the time they did, gas was low, > > > and they ran out of gas 800 ft from the entrance. > > > > > > That's a bad day. Both were experienced cave divers. > > > > > > -Will > > > > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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