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From: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
To: "georget Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*>,
     "IB2."
Cc: "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: IANTD "normoxic" trimix
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:20:02 -0400
It has not been in the UK because it had to be revamped for HSE approval
thus we had to create a Normoxic trimix instructor instead of just a
technical instructor now that that is complete it should be in the UK. It
has been in the rest of the world for 3 years. It is about our most popular
program and most of us teach it all the time.

Respectfully yours,
Tom Mount
CEO IANTD World HQ
http://www.iantd.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
To: IB2. <ian@ca*.fr*.co*.uk*>
Cc: Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Tom Mount
<TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: IANTD "normoxic" trimix


> Easy answer - he is full of bs. See his signed confession of zoo animal
> stupidity in his answer to Bill Mee.
>
>
> IB2. wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > As I understand it the Normoxic trimix course has not been introduced in
the
> > UK yet do you have any information on when it will become available or
the
> > reasons for the delay?
> >
> > As I understand it, until the normoxic course is available here divers
are
> > compelled to dive deep on air to gain the required entry credits for the
> > full trimix course,  which will tell them why the very thing they have
been
> > compelled to do is stupid.
> >
> > Have I missed the plot or is there some reason why the normoxic trimix
> > course has yet to reach our shores?
> >
> > Ian.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > To: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > Cc: a n <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Sent: 06 October 1999 15:28
> > Subject: Re: INTD "normoxic" and other trimixes
> >
> > > George
> > > the text includes the Technical Encyclopedia, the technical student
> > workbook
> > > a complete set of slides it is extremely well supported and in is our
> > > preferred dive program for people getting into deeper diving. The
majority
> > > of instructors are able to get students who originally wanted to do
> > > technical diver to take this course as instead.
> > >
> > > I have no doubt that some people state they are comfortable on air toi
> > > greater depths however even if the technical diver program is taught
they
> > > are forbidden to dive deeper than 170 feet. The technical diver course
> > does
> > > require two dives deeper than 130 and no dives below 170.
> > >
> > > The Normoxic course is basically the same course except it does dives
on
> > > trimix instead of air. The student is NOTALLOWED to dive air deeper
than
> > 130
> > > in this program. As has been stated several times on this list over
the
> > past
> > > three years. The student does not have any requirement to have dived
air
> > > deeper than 130 prior to getting into the course in fact they do not
even
> > > have to have been to 130 just deeper than 90 feet prior to the course.
The
> > > Normoxic trimix is a heavy deep diving theory course it does not get
into
> > > HPNS and some other factors as these things are not of a concern to
> > Normoxic
> > > trimix. It is intense on skills and procedures. the course requires 3
> > dives
> > > deeper than 130 and a max depth not to exceed 200. Depths are worked
up to
> > > in increments no greater than 30 feet from one dive to the next.
> > >
> > >
> > > The HPNS and other issues are addressed in depth in the trimix course
> > where
> > > dives may evolve into dives that that knowledge is mandated. The full
> > trimix
> > > course has six dives also 2 of which can be on air or mix as they are
just
> > > skill dives and need not be deep. Four dives are on mix and must be
deeper
> > > than 160 and no deeper than 260
> > >
> > > Again if people wish details go to the web page and read through the
> > > standards
> > >
> > > Respectfully yours,
> > > Tom Mount
> > > CEO IANTD World HQ
> > > http://www.iantd.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > > Cc: a n <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 8:45 AM
> > > Subject: Re: INTD "normoxic" and other trimixes
> > >
> > >
> > > > T, that is not the question - the question is what materials are
> > > > available for these courses. I personally have zero interest in
this,
> > > > but had it mentioned to me by an IANTD instructor on a dive boat the
> > > > other day, the implications being that these courses are an
accomodation
> > > > to outside pressure and are neither well supported by IANTD, nor
really
> > > > intended to replace "deep air". I of course found this hard to
believe
> > > > so sent you that question to see if it were really possible.
> > > >
> > > > Tom, there are people out there, believe it or not, who are so
stupid as
> > > > to think ther is such a thing as an "ability" to dive deep on air,
and
> > > > there are intstructors out there who are so stupid, and so
irresponsible
> > > > that they say things like, "my personal comfort level on air is 200
> > > > feet" in front of students, who then take this to mean that unless
they
> > > > "can" be "comfortable" on air at "200 feet", they must not be
cutting
> > > > the mustard.
> > > >
> > > > I know this is unbelievable to a pro like yourself, but I have heard
> > > > this direcdtly from the flapping lips of various instructors,
> > > > affilliation unknown.
> > > >
> > > > Anything that pays lip service only to the importance of proper gas
> > > > choices and true technical diving (which menas doing the dives
proeprly
> > > > and optimally), is a disservice to all of us, and in my opinion
would
> > > > require the attention of a dive training "leader" such as yourself
for
> > > > clarification.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom Mount wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone interested should go to the web pages and check the
standards
> > for
> > > the
> > > > > texts and also the skills. that should answer anyone's questions
> > > > >
> > > > > Respectfully yours,
> > > > > Tom Mount
> > > > > CEO IANTD World HQ
> > > > > http://www.iantd.com
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > > > > To: <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > > > > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 3:45 PM
> > > > > Subject: INTD "normoxic" and other trimixes
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tom, I hear that there are little or no materials for your
> > "normoxic",
> > > > > > "intermendiate" or whatever "trimix" course. This would appear
to
> > make
> > > > > > this course a case of "lip service" to those of us who have long
> > been
> > > > > > critics of your "deep air" courses and policy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   While I like the fact that you to at least appear to comply
with
> > > > > > intelligent thinking, I find it appalling that the reality is
you
> > > still
> > > > > > may not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   Is this true?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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