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George, It is not practical nor safe to suggest that the dive boat be free to move while divers are in the water. The safest is for the dive boat to remain attached to the wreck. A drifting deco hang is potentially the stupidest thing one could attempt here. Even with a large 250# lift bag, in heavy seas, strong current, no one sees the bag, now you are drifting and no one knows where you are. Talk about problems. Imagine several dive teams perform the same meneuver. Now you have god knows how many divers drifting who knows where in the open ocean. The only solution that makes real sense is that each team must shoot the bag and tie off to the wreck. Even if the bag breaks loose there is a potential for other divers to have seen the bag before it breaks loose. The dive boat will not leave the wreck until all divers are back on board, which may not be for quite some time. The dive profiles on an average dive boat range from students doing check out dives to others of us doing 30-40 mins at 130' or so. If it is my choice, and it is, I will always tie off to the wreck because I know where I am, and the dive boat knows where I am, and I believe it gives me the best and fastest method to get back on the same boat that I began the day on. Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*> To: <Scaleworks@ao*.co*> Cc: <ststev@un*.co*>; <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 7:46 AM Subject: Re: Jersey Up Line > You guys are so one dimensional. What happens when somebody breaks away > their jersey stroke reel for whatever reason? You guys have nothing but > personal prefrerence free for alls going on up there, and that is why it > is so dangerous. > > The boat needs to be free - PERIOD. You need to have PLANS. There needs > to be SHCEDULING of the dives. > > This is why I avoid the crap up there. The only way I would do it would > be with a group who could charter the whole boat and do it right. > > The worst bull, like ponies and upreel, come from NE wreckdiving. > > > > Scaleworks@ao*.co* wrote: > > > > In a message dated 99-08-26 22:42:16 EDT, kirvine@sa*.ne* writes: > > > > << > > Why did we get into the water under thes conditions in the fist place, > > or why did we stay down so long that they developed? Is the trash off of > > these wrecks this important - you guys need to learn when to not dive.>> > > > > George, > > > > We dive safely in these conditions quite often, and do not consider them > > extreme or unsafe. The issue raised, was doing a free floating deco offshore > > when the boat is on a fixed mooring, and depending on a chase boat to save > > your ass. A free floating deco in these or any conditions in this situation > > is definitely not the procedure of choice by divers or Captains. And I am > > sure you are well aware, that conditions on the ocean can and do change > > quickly. > > If conditions aren't suitable for diving, the boat stays in, if they > > deteriorate offshore, the trip is called after one dive, at least the boats I > > dive on do. > > > > << I can see that with you guys there is a "get my money's worth at all > > costs mentality". This is called sutpidity. > > > > Learn to do boat rides and like them, and come back again. > > >> > > What I have found up here, is that most divers that frequent the boats > > weekly, know when to call a dive and for the right reasons. I do see people > > that travel long distances for their once a year trip, or only get to dive > > infrequently push it, but normally at the point that it has become > > questionable, the Captain, or a majority of the customers have decided to > > blow it off anyways. > > > > Kevin > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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