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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:41:20 -0400
To: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
CC: TechDiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Helium willies
No, Richie, I have been doing this a hell of a lot longer than you have,
and the fact is that what I said is that D A M A G E is why I do not do
it fast , and I also said 300 feet on helium is NOT deep ( enough for
any other considerations), and I also said I no longer do the 450 stuff,
and the fact is at none of these depths does HPNS come into play, but  
D A M A G E does. I also outlined roughly how the oil companies avoid
this - nothing that applies to any of this discussion on here. 

The decent rate that I am using now gives little or no  D A M A G E, and
if you were not such a nickelrocket , you would get a scooter so that
you could easily do these dives and hit whatever you want , when ever
you want with no damage. But no, you do it like a red neck and call me
ignorant for not understaning why. A one knot current?  I can not
believe you had the balls to yap at me like a cocker spaniel about
diving walls in a current when I dive them in the Gulf Stream on the
Bahamas side with the proper equipment ( my scooters) for years.

Also, I shoot my fish, Richie, I don't play with them. Let me send you a
few good recipes for your collection.

Richard Pyle wrote:
> 
> > The fact is that there is no reason on earth to do fast decents, and in
> > fact that is what cuases the problems you describe. That is why the oil
> > companies use slow decents. If you must do thess dives to catch your
> > fish, and you are using a closed circuit rebreather, there is no reason
> > you can not decend slowly.
> 
> Chief, you're revealing your ignorance here.  Try dropping through 380 feet
> of blue water to hit a ledge that runs at an angle to a 1-knot current.
> Miss it on the outside and you're over 1,300 feet of water.  Miss it on the
> inside and you're in a barren sand dessert. By the way, when I dive in Kona
> or in Palau, following a drop-off, I quite often temper my descent rate to
> what you suggest - and guess what, I still get the same physiological (not
> psychological) willies. Taking 10 minutes to reach 300 is virtually the same
> as taking 3 minutes to get there.  The "pros" take 24 hours to get to 1000
> feet.  Sorry, but compared to this "correct" rate of descent, you and I are
> both doing extremely rapid descents.
> 
> Aloha,
> Rich


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