Hey, Ouch
I know some very good lawyer dive instructors.
Errol
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Cc: Alton Hall, Jr. <ahall@da*.co*>; Paltz, Art <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>; Mike
Rodriguez <mikey@ma*.co*>; Joel Silverstein
<joelsilverstein@wo*.at*.ne*>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Petting the Air Pony: was Re: Doria Deaths


>Trained by a lawyer dive instructor? This makes your Wakulla dives even
>more amazing...
>
> Jim
>
>Sender: kirvine@sa*.ne*  Date: 8/18/99 6:10 AM
>
>>Jim, Alton was my cavern instructor. I am thinking about suing him for
>>getting me into this in the first place. He ws in law school at LSU at
>>the time.
>>
>>Jim Cobb wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, that's right, you guys are in Louisiana, so you guys must wear
>>> seersucker suits.
>>>
>>> So, Alton, I have heard of one case where a the family of the deseased
>>> sued the "buddy" and won a pile of dough, how many do you know of or
have
>>> participated in?
>>>
>>>    Jim
>>>
>>> Sender: Alton Hall, Jr.  Date: 8/17/99 9:28 PM
>>>
>>> >Hi Jim:
>>> >
>>> >I do not think we have had the pleasure of meeting. However I can
assure
>>> >you that
>>> >I do not own a shark skin suit. Alton
>>> >
>>> >http://www.divelawyer.com/
>>> >
>>> >Jim Cobb wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Art, I think the odd thing about the diver in question was that he
was in
>>> >> good shape, an experienced diver, so why did he die?
>>> >>
>>> >> While so much is known about this fatality (certainly much more than
the
>>> >> usual Doria death thanks to some people who were there not following
the
>>> >> tech diver "code of silence"), nothing is known about the moment of
his
>>> >> demise.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is leading to much speculation as to what is the "smoking gun",
what
>>> >> was the main factor(s) that killed him. IMHO the two suspects are:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1. He made a judgement error, he did not rest to offgas the CO2 in
his
>>> >> system after greatly exerting himself, and he did not avoid exerting
>>> >> himself in the first place.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2. His high-drag "old timer" gear configuration is what lead him to
>>> >> getting winded in the first place, compounded with no real buddy
plan.
>>> >> When you call a dive in a real buddy situation the buddy(s) should
have
>>> >> called the dive as well.
>>> >>
>>> >> As JT has said it behooves you divers out there to make it crystal
clear
>>> >> that you are a solo diver and responsible for no one when you jump
in.
>>> >>
>>> >> Or you people are going to have to learn to use a "real" buddy teams
with
>>> >> clear, active, effective and practiced buddy plans and actions, which
>>> >> makes tech dives more survivable, with out a doubt.
>>> >>
>>> >> If you divers out there keep doing this "same ocean" buddy stuff then
you
>>> >> will, one day, have Alton Hall or one of his shark-skin suited
cohorts
>>> >> knocking on your door with a lawsuit blaming you for your "same
ocean"
>>> >> buddy's death.
>>> >>
>>> >>    Jim
>>> >>
>>> >> Sender: Paltz, Art  Date: 8/17/99 10:14 AM
>>> >>
>>> >> >Gotta jump in here.  I have been following this thread with great
>>interest
>>> >> >cause I know the people involved.  I have not heard anyone who was
there
>>> say
>>> >> >he was breathing the air tank as a travel mix.  This is just another
>>> example
>>> >> >of people assuming and making statements to further the cause or
just
>>jump
>>> >> >in the band wagon.  Is using air as a travel mix stupid when you've
got
>a
>>> >> >17% back mix?  Yes it is.  Was it used, I think not!
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Art.
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