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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:39:41 -0500
From: "Alton Hall, Jr." <ahall@da*.co*>
To: Bruce Graham <Grahabr@LA*.WH*.CO*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Petting the Air Pony: was Re: Doria Deaths
As an Instructor and former deckhand/divemaster and active diver I agree with
you. I do not handle cases such as the one you described. There are too many
good cases to waste my time. I also represent instructors and dive stores in
defense of frivolous cases.
Alton

Bruce Graham wrote:

> Interesting range of cases.  I note, however that no where do you list "diver
that was properly trained, had perfect gear, a competent instructor, a
competent boat and adequate training procedures, but still fucked up and now
the family is looking to cash in."
>
> I'm just sick of seeing people not accepting responsibility for themselves. 
I don't blame you personally Mr. Hall, it is a pattern in our society that
appears to be be growing.
>
> It is a poor lesson for our children to learn-that we don't need to accept
responsibilty for our actions-just point the finger.
>
> I don't think the bodies were cold before the families of the shooter in
Atlanta filed their suits against...get this..the parents of the ADULT SHOOTER.
>
> That's just plain wrong.
>
> Bruce Graham
> 213/620-7776
> grahabr@la*.wh*.co*
>
> Gulp, gulp, drink it up
> Livin' la vida mocha
> At four bucks a cup
> You're gonna soon go broke-ah
>
> Bruce Graham
> 213/620-7776
> grahabr@la*.wh*.co*
>
> Gulp, gulp, drink it up
> Livin' la vida mocha
> At four bucks a cup
> You're gonna soon go broke-ah
>
> >>> "Alton Hall, Jr." <ahall@da*.co*> 08/18/99 05:08AM >>>
> Actually I prefer tropical weight wool. In response to your question, most of
my
> cases involve bad gear, incompetent instructors, incompetent boats and
inadequate
> training procedures. We also represent a lot of commercial divers and divers
> involved in treasure/salvage disputes. Check out the web site.
> http://www.divelawyer.com/ Call me if I can ever assist you. 1-800-diver 55.
Alton
>
> Jim Cobb wrote:
>
> > Oh, that's right, you guys are in Louisiana, so you guys must wear
> > seersucker suits.
> >
> > So, Alton, I have heard of one case where a the family of the deseased
> > sued the "buddy" and won a pile of dough, how many do you know of or have
> > participated in?
> >
> >    Jim
> >
> > Sender: Alton Hall, Jr.  Date: 8/17/99 9:28 PM
> >
> > >Hi Jim:
> > >
> > >I do not think we have had the pleasure of meeting. However I can assure
> > >you that
> > >I do not own a shark skin suit. Alton
> > >
> > >http://www.divelawyer.com/
> > >
> > >Jim Cobb wrote:
> > >
> > >> Art, I think the odd thing about the diver in question was that he was in
> > >> good shape, an experienced diver, so why did he die?
> > >>
> > >> While so much is known about this fatality (certainly much more than the
> > >> usual Doria death thanks to some people who were there not following the
> > >> tech diver "code of silence"), nothing is known about the moment of his
> > >> demise.
> > >>
> > >> This is leading to much speculation as to what is the "smoking gun", what
> > >> was the main factor(s) that killed him. IMHO the two suspects are:
> > >>
> > >> 1. He made a judgement error, he did not rest to offgas the CO2 in his
> > >> system after greatly exerting himself, and he did not avoid exerting
> > >> himself in the first place.
> > >>
> > >> 2. His high-drag "old timer" gear configuration is what lead him to
> > >> getting winded in the first place, compounded with no real buddy plan.
> > >> When you call a dive in a real buddy situation the buddy(s) should have
> > >> called the dive as well.
> > >>
> > >> As JT has said it behooves you divers out there to make it crystal clear
> > >> that you are a solo diver and responsible for no one when you jump in.
> > >>
> > >> Or you people are going to have to learn to use a "real" buddy teams with
> > >> clear, active, effective and practiced buddy plans and actions, which
> > >> makes tech dives more survivable, with out a doubt.
> > >>
> > >> If you divers out there keep doing this "same ocean" buddy stuff then you
> > >> will, one day, have Alton Hall or one of his shark-skin suited cohorts
> > >> knocking on your door with a lawsuit blaming you for your "same ocean"
> > >> buddy's death.
> > >>
> > >>    Jim
> > >>
> > >> Sender: Paltz, Art  Date: 8/17/99 10:14 AM
> > >>
> > >> >Gotta jump in here.  I have been following this thread with great
interest
> > >> >cause I know the people involved.  I have not heard anyone who was there
> > say
> > >> >he was breathing the air tank as a travel mix.  This is just another
> > example
> > >> >of people assuming and making statements to further the cause or just
jump
> > >> >in the band wagon.  Is using air as a travel mix stupid when you've got
a
> > >> >17% back mix?  Yes it is.  Was it used, I think not!
> > >> >
> > >> >Art.
> > >>
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