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From: "Grant Jones" <grant@ow*.fr*.co*.uk*>
To: "techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, <bdi@wh*.ne*>
Subject: Re: Sick of Rants
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:18:00 +0100
billy wrote:

>Don't dick me. It never happened. And if anything like
>it did, I'd ignore it and move to the part of the message
>that told me "why he died...."

    But many of don't get that far.........

>>    So why not use this list and the vast information that some of the
>>people using it have, and get in there first ?.
>
>Because it takes time to work through the bullshit and
>hyperbole, to analyse the information and to reach
>a conclusion.

    But all the information is already there, is it not?. All that is needed
is to get the message about the dir system across to new divers and then
they wont fall into the mistake of copying other who are (or choose to be)
ignorant of it

>>    I know lots of *new* divers come and look at this list to read what
the
>>*top techie guys* have to say, all they see are mud flinging and slagging
>>match's, not many of them are here long enough to learn anything - IMO
thats
>>a waste.
>
>That's absolute bullshit. All YOU see is mud flinging and
>slagging. But there's a lot more than that going on in these
>lists. It depends where you choose focus. You can look the
>dust on the venetian blinds or the view through them.

    If theres too much dust, then you can't see, no matter how hard you look
!!
    As for other thing, what have I got to gain by lying? diddly squat. Next
time you come to these shores, vist any club and just ask......

>>>b) the DIR equipment configuration and protocols have been
>>>designed by the most accomplished divers in the world, for
>>>the use of all divers, to eliminate death by strokery.
>>
>>    I agree, but what good is that if you don't spread the word?, instead
of
>>trying to score points with other *agencies*, or groups
>
>Because the "other *agencies*, or groups" as you put it,
>are often part of the problem. Some of them actually cause
>deaths.

    So, why not try to educate them or their students, if a new diver knew
of a safer way of diving, would he / she then go to the place that  didn't
teach it - I don't think so.

>Tell me the world's changed. Tell me TDI has introduced an
>Honesty policy. Tell me the *agencies* reject strokery and
>fire unsafe instructors.

    But imagine a student turning up at that agency and saying "I've heard
about this dir thing, can you teach it to me?", if enough people said it,
then the agency would have to embrace it or lose students, a win win
situation, more people dir and less people die.


>That's exactly why the case for safety has to be so loudly,
>forcefully and sometimes, brutally, put.

    I agree, but thats diffrent from childish insults, is it not?

    Grant



>
>rgds    billyw
>
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