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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:31:10 -0400
To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
CC: "Alton Hall, Jr." <ahall@da*.co*>, "Paltz, Art" <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>,
     Mike Rodriguez ,
     Joel Silverstein ,
     Tech Diver
Subject: Re: Petting the Air Pony: was Re: Doria Deaths
This should give you some idea of what kind of talent he has in his own
profession.

Jim Cobb wrote:
> 
> Trained by a lawyer dive instructor? This makes your Wakulla dives even
> more amazing...
> 
>  Jim
> 
> Sender: kirvine@sa*.ne*  Date: 8/18/99 6:10 AM
> 
> >Jim, Alton was my cavern instructor. I am thinking about suing him for
> >getting me into this in the first place. He ws in law school at LSU at
> >the time.
> >
> >Jim Cobb wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh, that's right, you guys are in Louisiana, so you guys must wear
> >> seersucker suits.
> >>
> >> So, Alton, I have heard of one case where a the family of the deseased
> >> sued the "buddy" and won a pile of dough, how many do you know of or have
> >> participated in?
> >>
> >>    Jim
> >>
> >> Sender: Alton Hall, Jr.  Date: 8/17/99 9:28 PM
> >>
> >> >Hi Jim:
> >> >
> >> >I do not think we have had the pleasure of meeting. However I can assure
> >> >you that
> >> >I do not own a shark skin suit. Alton
> >> >
> >> >http://www.divelawyer.com/
> >> >
> >> >Jim Cobb wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Art, I think the odd thing about the diver in question was that he was
in
> >> >> good shape, an experienced diver, so why did he die?
> >> >>
> >> >> While so much is known about this fatality (certainly much more than the
> >> >> usual Doria death thanks to some people who were there not following the
> >> >> tech diver "code of silence"), nothing is known about the moment of his
> >> >> demise.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is leading to much speculation as to what is the "smoking gun",
what
> >> >> was the main factor(s) that killed him. IMHO the two suspects are:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. He made a judgement error, he did not rest to offgas the CO2 in his
> >> >> system after greatly exerting himself, and he did not avoid exerting
> >> >> himself in the first place.
> >> >>
> >> >> 2. His high-drag "old timer" gear configuration is what lead him to
> >> >> getting winded in the first place, compounded with no real buddy plan.
> >> >> When you call a dive in a real buddy situation the buddy(s) should have
> >> >> called the dive as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> As JT has said it behooves you divers out there to make it crystal clear
> >> >> that you are a solo diver and responsible for no one when you jump in.
> >> >>
> >> >> Or you people are going to have to learn to use a "real" buddy teams
with
> >> >> clear, active, effective and practiced buddy plans and actions, which
> >> >> makes tech dives more survivable, with out a doubt.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you divers out there keep doing this "same ocean" buddy stuff then
you
> >> >> will, one day, have Alton Hall or one of his shark-skin suited cohorts
> >> >> knocking on your door with a lawsuit blaming you for your "same ocean"
> >> >> buddy's death.
> >> >>
> >> >>    Jim
> >> >>
> >> >> Sender: Paltz, Art  Date: 8/17/99 10:14 AM
> >> >>
> >> >> >Gotta jump in here.  I have been following this thread with great
> >interest
> >> >> >cause I know the people involved.  I have not heard anyone who was
there
> >> say
> >> >> >he was breathing the air tank as a travel mix.  This is just another
> >> example
> >> >> >of people assuming and making statements to further the cause or just
> >jump
> >> >> >in the band wagon.  Is using air as a travel mix stupid when you've got
> a
> >> >> >17% back mix?  Yes it is.  Was it used, I think not!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Art.
> >> >>
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