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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:44:05 -0400
To: "Alton Hall, Jr." <ahall@da*.co*>
CC: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, "Paltz, Art" <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>,
     Mike Rodriguez ,
     Joel Silverstein ,
     Tech Diver
Subject: Re: Petting the Air Pony: was Re: Doria Deaths
Alton, all I remember about that course is you scaring the shit out of
me with the little Dismal video ( remember the guys who walked out of
the course when they saw that one ) and you telling me that the BP
station had better breakfast than the Exxon station, and Paul Perk
calling my English light a "British" light.

If we were talking football instead of law schol, you would have let
that one slide.

Alton Hall, Jr. wrote:
> 
> Hi George:
> 
> If you do sue me I will do the same to you for slander. :) I went to Tulane
law
> school. Alton
> 
> kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
> 
> > Jim, Alton was my cavern instructor. I am thinking about suing him for
> > getting me into this in the first place. He ws in law school at LSU at
> > the time.
> >
> > Jim Cobb wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh, that's right, you guys are in Louisiana, so you guys must wear
> > > seersucker suits.
> > >
> > > So, Alton, I have heard of one case where a the family of the deseased
> > > sued the "buddy" and won a pile of dough, how many do you know of or have
> > > participated in?
> > >
> > >    Jim
> > >
> > > Sender: Alton Hall, Jr.  Date: 8/17/99 9:28 PM
> > >
> > > >Hi Jim:
> > > >
> > > >I do not think we have had the pleasure of meeting. However I can assure
> > > >you that
> > > >I do not own a shark skin suit. Alton
> > > >
> > > >http://www.divelawyer.com/
> > > >
> > > >Jim Cobb wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Art, I think the odd thing about the diver in question was that he was
in
> > > >> good shape, an experienced diver, so why did he die?
> > > >>
> > > >> While so much is known about this fatality (certainly much more than
the
> > > >> usual Doria death thanks to some people who were there not following
the
> > > >> tech diver "code of silence"), nothing is known about the moment of his
> > > >> demise.
> > > >>
> > > >> This is leading to much speculation as to what is the "smoking gun",
what
> > > >> was the main factor(s) that killed him. IMHO the two suspects are:
> > > >>
> > > >> 1. He made a judgement error, he did not rest to offgas the CO2 in his
> > > >> system after greatly exerting himself, and he did not avoid exerting
> > > >> himself in the first place.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2. His high-drag "old timer" gear configuration is what lead him to
> > > >> getting winded in the first place, compounded with no real buddy plan.
> > > >> When you call a dive in a real buddy situation the buddy(s) should have
> > > >> called the dive as well.
> > > >>
> > > >> As JT has said it behooves you divers out there to make it crystal
clear
> > > >> that you are a solo diver and responsible for no one when you jump in.
> > > >>
> > > >> Or you people are going to have to learn to use a "real" buddy teams
with
> > > >> clear, active, effective and practiced buddy plans and actions, which
> > > >> makes tech dives more survivable, with out a doubt.
> > > >>
> > > >> If you divers out there keep doing this "same ocean" buddy stuff then
you
> > > >> will, one day, have Alton Hall or one of his shark-skin suited cohorts
> > > >> knocking on your door with a lawsuit blaming you for your "same ocean"
> > > >> buddy's death.
> > > >>
> > > >>    Jim
> > > >>
> > > >> Sender: Paltz, Art  Date: 8/17/99 10:14 AM
> > > >>
> > > >> >Gotta jump in here.  I have been following this thread with great
interest
> > > >> >cause I know the people involved.  I have not heard anyone who was
there
> > > say
> > > >> >he was breathing the air tank as a travel mix.  This is just another
> > > example
> > > >> >of people assuming and making statements to further the cause or just
jump
> > > >> >in the band wagon.  Is using air as a travel mix stupid when you've
got a
> > > >> >17% back mix?  Yes it is.  Was it used, I think not!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Art.
> > > >>
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