Art, these people are doing so many stupid things that figuring out what
kills them is like trying to figure out what killed people at Hiroshima.
Get real, these people are so stupid, and so full of bull that not only
is anything they say ridiculous it is lkely not even true.

Here are the facts: these idiots have made Nightline and the front pages
of several newpapers as well as attracted the attention of the Coast
Guard and legislatures, and you want to talk about "furthering causes". 

Tell me one thing this guy did that was NOT stupid, and did not
contribute to his demise? 

Here is what needs to happen: the Coast Guard needs to start charging
commercialo rates for time wasted dealing with these idiots. I think I
need to call them, and make a few recommendatoins. Now that would be
"furthering the cause" - the cause of these guys not ruining it for
everyone.

Trying to talk any sense into any of them is impossible - the obvious
and the basics are flying right over their heads. By the way, if Wrolf
Courtney is out there, could you send me your email address so we can
get the Coast Guard accident reports to you for posting on your website.

ART, THES ARE NOT DIVE ACCIDENTS, THEY ARE ASSISTED SUICIDE.

Paltz, Art wrote:
> 
> Gotta jump in here.  I have been following this thread with great interest
> cause I know the people involved.  I have not heard anyone who was there say
> he was breathing the air tank as a travel mix.  This is just another example
> of people assuming and making statements to further the cause or just jump
> in the band wagon.  Is using air as a travel mix stupid when you've got a
> 17% back mix?  Yes it is.  Was it used, I think not!
> 
> Art.
> 
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From:   Mike Rodriguez [mailto:mikey@ma*.co*]
>                 Sent:   Monday, August 16, 1999 11:39 PM
>                 To:     Joel Silverstein
>                 Cc:     techdiver@aquanaut.com
>                 Subject:        Re: Petting the Air Pony: was Re: Doria
> Deaths - Let's dive  some air
> 
>                 At 07:50 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Joel Silverstein wrote:
> 
>                 Hello Joel,
> 
>                 >That's not it -- they just dont understand that its not
> needed. They dont
>                 >understand partial pressures, they dont understand that you
> dont need a
>                 >hypoxix mix for a 250 fsw dive,
> 
>                 [SNIP]
> 
>                 Am I missing something here?  A normoxic mix at 250 fsw has
> a
>                 PO2 of 1.8 AtA.  At 19.2% O2, the PO2 is 1.6 AtA and at
> 16.9%
>                 it's 1.4 AtA.  To dive safely at 250 fsw, a hypoxic mix at
> no
>                 more than 16.9% O2 should be used.
> 
>                 Now, 16.9% O2 is perfectly breathable all the way from the
> surface
>                 to the bottom, of course, and reaches a normoxic PO2 just a
> few
>                 feet below the surface so a travel mix is not needed and
> doesn't
>                 makes sense on this dive, but the mix *does* have to be
> hypoxic
>                 to be safe.
> 
>                 -Mike Rodriguez
>                 <mikey@ma*.co*>
> 
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