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Ted, there has never been a manifold failure, and the mode of failure is
to lose the knob with a freeflwoing reg and no isolator - solution is
"buddy", a dirty word up there.

The ari pony or any pony is so stupid and so ridicoulous as to not
merrit anything but laugter, if it were not for the track record at
hand.

I dive further into caves than most of these wrecks are offshore, and I
have no pony bottle - that is patently absurd. If they are scared, and
do not trust the buddy, maybe they need to carry a buddy bottle of
proper mix as a stage, but this is also total bullshit. They need to
start doing it right.

Secondly, these guys have bullshit rigs and do not know how to operate
as buddies, and that is why the are having problems. Quit defending
these morons. You are in the business, and it is your ass they are
kicking , not mine. I dive wherever and whenever I want no matter how
badly the rest of the world screws up, as evidenced by the fact that
they let us back into Wakulla after the Stone Fiasco, and they asked
Jarrod to come do the Britannic. 

Ted ,these guys are idiots - they need a wakeup call, and obviously no
number of deaths is going to do the trick. They need to get banned from
diving out there to make the point.


Ted Green wrote:
> 
>     George,
>         While I am not a proponent of this practise, divers who put a 30
> or 40 cuft. pony on the back of their doubles, do so to have a
> completely independent source of gas. The reason for this they
> claim is that if you strike the isolator and break the manifold
> causing a rapid gas loss, there probably will not be a knob left to
> close the isolator down with. This practice is a hold over from
> single outlet doubles.
> 
>      As to the cause of Charlie's death; I talked to one of the mates
> on the boat a week after Charlie's death. He said that Charlie had
> lost the travel line that runs from the point of entry to the anchor
> line. Instead of surfacing and regaining the line, he swam against
> the current to the anchor line and had to let go of the anchor line
> several times on his descent to go around divers hanging on the
> line. The mate felt that Charlie over exerted himself trying to catch
> up to one of his two buddies and swimming against the current. By
> the time he reached 165', he may have had a massive CO2
> headache. He signalled to his buddies he was aborting the dive,
> and blackout on the way up.
> 
>       While all the crap that has been posted over the last few weeks
> may have been possible. I believe that a CO2 hit is a more likely
> explanation for him aborting the dive at 165' and blacking out on the
> way up.
> 
> Ted
> 
> From:                   <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> Subject:                Re: Petting the Air Pony: was Re: Doria Deaths -
Let's dive some air
> 
> 
> > Maybe also we could get one of the rocket scientist up there to tell us
> > why ponying a bottle behind your back with the bottle turned on with the
> > reg over your shoulder mixed in with the other two makes any sense, and
> > why trying to combine a totally unnecessary bailout, a suit inflation,
> > and a travel gas all in one where the gas in question, AIR, is not the
> > right gas for any of those applications, and why it is a good idea to
> > put a reg on an inflation bottle , why we need a pony with a dual port
> > manifold, why we need it behind us, why it should be AIR, and why nobody
> > up there has ever bothered to question any of this nonsense.
> 
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