What does the official report have to say about Rob Palmer?  What would it
have said about Henry Kendall if everyone had waited?  Somebody needs to
call a spade a spade.  You are, or maybe I should say were, in the perfect
position to do this but you continually refuse.  That's inexcusable.

-----Original Message-----
From: rebreather-request@nw*.co*
[mailto:rebreather-request@nw*.co*]On Behalf Of Tom Mount
Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 5:16 PM
To: Jody Everett (E-mail 2)
Cc: 'Rebreathers (E-mail)'; 'Techdiver (E-mail)'
Subject: Re: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?

Jody
I think we should wait till the legal report on a divers death is published
before assuming anything. Again I think most diving accidents.deaths result
from human error not a physiological event although some are due to the
persons physiology

Respectfully yours,
Tom Mount
CEO IANTD World HQ
http://www.iantd.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jody Everett (E-mail 2) <jodyev@in*.co*>
To: 'Tom Mount' <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
Cc: 'Rebreathers (E-mail)' <rebreather@nw*.co*>; 'Techdiver (E-mail)'
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?


>Tom,
>No need to defend your fitness level.  I'm sure that you and many others on
>the list are in much better shape than I am.  That was not the point of any
>of the emails I've sent in the last two days.  The post that started this
>all was full of sarcasm.  While I'd entertain the notion that some divers
do
>kick the bucket as a result of heart attack and other natural causes during
>the dive, I find it very hard to believe the recent rash of "heart attacks"
>that have taken place while diving.  You can't tell me that any logically
>thinking (I know that's a stretch for many divers involved.) person would
>honestly believe that all of the recent deaths with rebreather diving and
>wrecking diving really resulted from heart attacks/natural causes as
>claimed.
>
>It is really getting to be the stock answer for the cause of death.  Do you
>truly believe that?  I don't!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Mount [mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*]
>Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 4:05 PM
>To: Jody Everett (E-mail 2)
>Cc: Rebreathers (E-mail); Techdiver (E-mail)
>Subject: Re: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?
>
>Jody
>
>No, young athletes that were tested include one 24 year old who had an FSU
>swimming scholarship and spent 13 years as a competitive swimmer, currently
>he is still swimming, cycling, lifting weights and is one of my Karate
>students. His vo2 max is well above average and definitely qualifies as an
>athlete.
>
> Another is a 30 year old who is also one of my karate students and who in
>addition also runs 4 times a week for one hour and lifts weights,  I do not
>know exactly how strong he is but he benches 325 for 29 reps and as he is
>only 6 foot at 195 pounds with about 10% body fat I would say he is rather
>strong and fit. His VO2 max is also well above average and into the athlete
>category rather good.
>
>The other two are similar in background and condition.
>
>I do not know what your expertise in physiology is but you obviously do not
>realize how conditioned one may keep them selves in they are really devoted
>to it. Personally I have been training every since I was 12 years old and I
>think the long term benefits do pay off. and no I'm not as good as I was 20
>years ago but much better condition than most of the young active people I
>meet. Of course a younger person with the same training drive should be in
>better condition and would most likely have a higher Vo2 max, But that does
>not prevent mine from bing good.
>
>Even though I should not bring it up I think you will discover that G like
>wise at 47 scored higher than the group he tested with who were also well
>conditioned young men and ladies. So you may wish to rethink your age and
>fitness theory as it pertains to individuals vs statistics.and age group
>population averages.
>
>While my training is not extreme it does consist of a minimum of 1 hour
>every day and most of the time at least two hours or more including
>1. Karate (41 years in this art before that Judo with boxing before during
>and currently)
>2. Running
>3. Cycling (fall, winter and spring I do not do it in the summer as I pit
>more time into other areas in the summer)
>4. Roller blading
>5. Weights
>6. Kyak
>7. Swimming ( mostly in the summer and fall)
>8. Stairmaster (one of my favorites is doing what I call survival training
>and is 40 minutes at the highest level on the Stairmaster doing a minimum
of
>400)
>9 I also use a time works machine, and various other aerobic machines
>primarily when weather is bad enough to prevent my getting outside to
>workout.
>
>I  think most diving accidents come down to human error,
>
>Speaking of all this what is your fitness level???
>
>
>Respectfully yours,
>Tom Mount
>CEO IANTD World HQ
>http://www.iantd.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jody Everett (E-mail 2) <jodyev@in*.co*>
>To: 'Tom Mount' <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
>Cc: Rebreathers (E-mail) <rebreather@nw*.co*>; Techdiver (E-mail)
><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 3:03 PM
>Subject: RE: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?
>
>
>>Tom,
>>After 60, "elite" just means that you aren't already dead.  While you
might
>>be in good shape, especially considering your age, 4 young "athletes"
>should
>>be able to better your VO2MAX.  If they can't, they might want to
>reconsider
>>using the term "athlete".  That is unless by young you mean anything less
>>than 55.
>>
>>Question for you:  If 4 young, well-conditioned, "athletes" went out and
>>dove the Andrea Doria using big yellow rebreathers, what are the chances
>>that all four will die during the dive as a result of heart attack or
other
>>natural causes?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rebreather-request@nw*.co*
>>[mailto:rebreather-request@nw*.co*]On Behalf Of Tom Mount
>>Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 9:30 AM
>>To: Karl Kramer; Jody Everett
>>Cc: Techdiver (E-mail); RB flaming list
>>Subject: Re: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?
>>
>>Karl
>>I'm sixty, and my heart is perfect BP 130 over 70 pulse 50.  I just
>>completed a physical stress test with a rating of elite (whatever that
>>means). and a VO2 that exceeded 4 young athletes who took the test at the
>>same time I did.  So age is not the problem, fitness and maintaining good
>>condition is the controlling factor. I have dropped 20 year olds out of
>>programs due to their fitness level and had some of my most fit divers
over
>>40.
>>
>>Respectfully yours,
>>Tom Mount
>>CEO IANTD World HQ
>>http://www.iantd.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Karl Kramer <Karl.W.Kramer@ph*.un*.de*>
>>To: Jody Everett <jodyev@in*.co*>
>>Cc: Techdiver (E-mail) <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; RB flaming list
>><rebreather@nw*.co*>
>>Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 5:03 AM
>>Subject: Re: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?
>>
>>
>>From:           "Jody Everett" <jodyev@in*.co*>
>>
>>> Maybe all you guys over 40 should just give up diving.  There seems to
be
>>a
>>> much higher rate of heart problems in the 40-50 age group of divers than
>>in
>>> the rest of the general population.
>>
>>Hi Jody,
>>
>>Rebreather-Divers are a preselected group,
>>what makes it quite normal that this
>>also means other matches / characteristics in common.
>>Those who prefer silence unter water are
>>surely often doing that because they are highly stress exposed at work
>>and so have a much higher rate of heart problems.
>>
>>Then you refer to the Colour of housings: simply look at the sales-count,
>>it is more likely in absolute numbers that a money-spinner
>>(Car-Examole: like a VW) in involved in an accident / natural-causes death
>>than a shelf warmer.
>>
>>Rgds,
>>
>>    Karl
>>
>>
>>
>

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