Tom,
No need to defend your fitness level.  I'm sure that you and many others on
the list are in much better shape than I am.  That was not the point of any
of the emails I've sent in the last two days.  The post that started this
all was full of sarcasm.  While I'd entertain the notion that some divers do
kick the bucket as a result of heart attack and other natural causes during
the dive, I find it very hard to believe the recent rash of "heart attacks"
that have taken place while diving.  You can't tell me that any logically
thinking (I know that's a stretch for many divers involved.) person would
honestly believe that all of the recent deaths with rebreather diving and
wrecking diving really resulted from heart attacks/natural causes as
claimed.

It is really getting to be the stock answer for the cause of death.  Do you
truly believe that?  I don't!






-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Mount [mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 4:05 PM
To: Jody Everett (E-mail 2)
Cc: Rebreathers (E-mail); Techdiver (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?

Jody

No, young athletes that were tested include one 24 year old who had an FSU
swimming scholarship and spent 13 years as a competitive swimmer, currently
he is still swimming, cycling, lifting weights and is one of my Karate
students. His vo2 max is well above average and definitely qualifies as an
athlete.

 Another is a 30 year old who is also one of my karate students and who in
addition also runs 4 times a week for one hour and lifts weights,  I do not
know exactly how strong he is but he benches 325 for 29 reps and as he is
only 6 foot at 195 pounds with about 10% body fat I would say he is rather
strong and fit. His VO2 max is also well above average and into the athlete
category rather good.

The other two are similar in background and condition.

I do not know what your expertise in physiology is but you obviously do not
realize how conditioned one may keep them selves in they are really devoted
to it. Personally I have been training every since I was 12 years old and I
think the long term benefits do pay off. and no I'm not as good as I was 20
years ago but much better condition than most of the young active people I
meet. Of course a younger person with the same training drive should be in
better condition and would most likely have a higher Vo2 max, But that does
not prevent mine from bing good.

Even though I should not bring it up I think you will discover that G like
wise at 47 scored higher than the group he tested with who were also well
conditioned young men and ladies. So you may wish to rethink your age and
fitness theory as it pertains to individuals vs statistics.and age group
population averages.

While my training is not extreme it does consist of a minimum of 1 hour
every day and most of the time at least two hours or more including
1. Karate (41 years in this art before that Judo with boxing before during
and currently)
2. Running
3. Cycling (fall, winter and spring I do not do it in the summer as I pit
more time into other areas in the summer)
4. Roller blading
5. Weights
6. Kyak
7. Swimming ( mostly in the summer and fall)
8. Stairmaster (one of my favorites is doing what I call survival training
and is 40 minutes at the highest level on the Stairmaster doing a minimum of
400)
9 I also use a time works machine, and various other aerobic machines
primarily when weather is bad enough to prevent my getting outside to
workout.

I  think most diving accidents come down to human error,

Speaking of all this what is your fitness level???


Respectfully yours,
Tom Mount
CEO IANTD World HQ
http://www.iantd.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jody Everett (E-mail 2) <jodyev@in*.co*>
To: 'Tom Mount' <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
Cc: Rebreathers (E-mail) <rebreather@nw*.co*>; Techdiver (E-mail)
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 3:03 PM
Subject: RE: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?


>Tom,
>After 60, "elite" just means that you aren't already dead.  While you might
>be in good shape, especially considering your age, 4 young "athletes"
should
>be able to better your VO2MAX.  If they can't, they might want to
reconsider
>using the term "athlete".  That is unless by young you mean anything less
>than 55.
>
>Question for you:  If 4 young, well-conditioned, "athletes" went out and
>dove the Andrea Doria using big yellow rebreathers, what are the chances
>that all four will die during the dive as a result of heart attack or other
>natural causes?
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rebreather-request@nw*.co*
>[mailto:rebreather-request@nw*.co*]On Behalf Of Tom Mount
>Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 9:30 AM
>To: Karl Kramer; Jody Everett
>Cc: Techdiver (E-mail); RB flaming list
>Subject: Re: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?
>
>Karl
>I'm sixty, and my heart is perfect BP 130 over 70 pulse 50.  I just
>completed a physical stress test with a rating of elite (whatever that
>means). and a VO2 that exceeded 4 young athletes who took the test at the
>same time I did.  So age is not the problem, fitness and maintaining good
>condition is the controlling factor. I have dropped 20 year olds out of
>programs due to their fitness level and had some of my most fit divers over
>40.
>
>Respectfully yours,
>Tom Mount
>CEO IANTD World HQ
>http://www.iantd.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Karl Kramer <Karl.W.Kramer@ph*.un*.de*>
>To: Jody Everett <jodyev@in*.co*>
>Cc: Techdiver (E-mail) <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; RB flaming list
><rebreather@nw*.co*>
>Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 5:03 AM
>Subject: Re: Rebreather/Diving Age Limit?
>
>
>From:           "Jody Everett" <jodyev@in*.co*>
>
>> Maybe all you guys over 40 should just give up diving.  There seems to be
>a
>> much higher rate of heart problems in the 40-50 age group of divers than
>in
>> the rest of the general population.
>
>Hi Jody,
>
>Rebreather-Divers are a preselected group,
>what makes it quite normal that this
>also means other matches / characteristics in common.
>Those who prefer silence unter water are
>surely often doing that because they are highly stress exposed at work
>and so have a much higher rate of heart problems.
>
>Then you refer to the Colour of housings: simply look at the sales-count,
>it is more likely in absolute numbers that a money-spinner
>(Car-Examole: like a VW) in involved in an accident / natural-causes death
>than a shelf warmer.
>
>Rgds,
>
>    Karl
>
>
>

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