Dan this guy is no more a SEAL than Andre Smith was. You hit this one
right on the dead. A personal preference Special Forces guy would not
have come back from Vietnam. Isn't this the guy who wanted to put argon
in his wings?

Dan Volker wrote:
> 
> SEALS and SWAT Teams do NOT use personal preference, including obviously
> foolish procedures ( or total lack of procedures). Irvine has to contend
> with life and death issues in a general tech diving group. Imagine a
> "knockoff/imitation"  SEAL Team with no procedural training and personal
> preference used by each member to handle assaults and hostage recoveries.
> 
> The "real" SEALs would freak if exposed to the ineptness and lack of
> recognized procedure. They would have NOTHING nice to say about the
> pretenders.
> 
> Dan Volker
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jccalvin [mailto:jccalvin@pa*.ne*]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 12:17 PM
> To: tgunther@co*.co*; techdiver
> Subject: Re: Doria Count?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tgunther@co*.co* <tgunther@co*.co*>
> To: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 7:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Doria Count?
> 
> >George Irvine:
> >
> >The reputation of the WKPP in the industry is well established.   Your
> >professional  record is beyond dispute.    But like others, I find myself
> >wondering why such ingenue behaviour is necessary when recounting
> unfortunate
> >deaths within the community?    Is it really necessary to scurry around
> like a
> >little June Beetle that takes advantage of all the carnage around itself?
> Is
> >such insolent chest-beating truly important in situations like this.....
> 
> Greetings:
> 
> As a student of technical diving (two years of training and experience AND
> no intent to dive the Doria soon) I am compelled to support Mr. Gunther's
> posting.  Reading Mr. Irvine's posts and getting past the ODD presentation
> is a significant challenge.  I always read the posts carefully and having
> discarded the extraneous chatter, carefully evaluate (and usually follow)
> the diving advise.
> 
> I must say I am rather puzzled by Mr. Irvine's presentation style.  I spent
> two tours in Vietnam working with Special Forces and a few seals on
> intelligence operations and eight years as a police officer.  I have never
> encountered anyone who was really good at a dangerous and intellectually
> demanding activity (as Mr. Irvine obviously is) who communicates with his
> particular approach.  They were almost always low-key and friendly (assuming
> you were not one of there targets :>).  Generally people who talk like this
> would really like to be accepted as one of the group but are clearly not
> qualified.  As Mr. Irvine's qualifications are not questionable the puzzle
> remains.
> 
> regards,
> 
> John.
> 
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