I go one further - I ride where there are no cars and no other riders,
like Shark Valley. You can't draft in a tri event anyway, so I don't
practice it, you can not bet on car drivers with your life. BTW Shark is
a 15 mile paved loop in the Everglades west of town.

Kevin Metcalfe wrote:
> 
> Bill Mee wrote:
> >
> > I would like to hear your opinion about these Doria deaths and any of the
> > countless other deaths that we have been witness to over the years.  I also
> > challenge you to get on this list and tell us why discussing George Irvine
> > is more important than knowing why another human being has become a
> > statistic.
> 
> Ironically, George Irvine is probably the reason that we're discussing
> George Irvine instead of what can be done to stop the needless deaths.
> George has an abrasive style and even people that agree with what he
> says have a hard time with his style.
> 
> Some people will have a hard time getting past the style of the
> messenger, no matter how logical a viewpoint he offers.  Others will be
> able grit their teeth and still take the message for what it's worth.
> George doesn't HAVE to change the way he delivers his message.  But if
> he REALLY wants to reach EVERYBODY he will.
> 
> Here's an example that Dan Volker can understand since we're both
> cyclists.  We're riding down the road, single file and as close to the
> right as practicable as the CA Vehicle code requires.  Along comes an
> automobile who is ignorant of my rights as a cyclist to share the road
> and yells, "Get off the F**ing road and ride on the sidewalk where
> you're supposed to!"  I have two choices:  1)  I can flip him the bird
> and get into a loud cursing match and forever lose the possibility of
> him seeing the light.  2)  I can calmly explain to him that the CA
> Vehicle Code states that "Cyclists have the same rights and
> responsibilities as motor vehicles, but that they must stay as far to
> the right as practicable except to turn left or when the road is not
> wide enough for a car to safely pass."  I could also go on to explain
> how having cars and bicycles obey the same laws makes for a more
> predictable and safe traffic flow.  Much better than the personal
> preference crowd that has bikes on the side walk, or riding against
> traffic "because it's safer".  (NOT!)
> 
> Okay, you're that driver.  You don't know that bikes have these rights.
> Which cyclist would you want to run into, and which one will you listen
> to?
> 
> It's just human nature.  And if you think that George has had it with
> the strokes, I can guarantee that it pales to the dip shit drivers that
> I've put up with over the last 15 years and 200,000 miles.
> 
> Speaking of the Andrea Doria, even as a recreational diver, I can see
> some of the problems with the way some divers approach this dive.  But
> in a sense, I've been lucky as I've been able to learn what little I
> know about tech diving from this list and been able to separate the good
> from bad ideas.  On the other hand, if I was an east coast diver who met
> some local "dive gods" that got me into more advanced diving, I wouldn't
> have any idea that there was a better way when they set me up with a set
> of OMS wings.  The internet saves the day again...
> 
> Really, your best bet is to get to them before they acquire bad habits.
> GUE is a good start, but it will have to grow a lot.  It will also have
> quite a fight with peoples desire to follow the quick and dirty method.
> 
> Sincelerly,
> 
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> Kevin Metcalfe
> metcalfe@ec*.co*
> Pleasant Hill, CA
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