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From: "Grant Jones" <grant@ow*.fr*.co*.uk*>
To: "techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Subject: Re: Doria Count?
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:29:38 +0100
Sad kivine wrote:


>Lawrence, this is probably some TDI type who is still pissed over my
>correct labeling of Rob Palmer's demise.

    Then you would be wrong, wouldn't you

> The dumbest thing Rob ever did in his life was get involved
>with Gilliam, in my opinion. Here we have a great explorer , author, and
person who made diving exciting killed deep air diving with the worst>known
idiots, fat slobs, bozos and strokes ever to hit the sport.

    This is why, this diver thinks your a sad person (as do many others
here), people who dont agree with you or your methods are treated to your
purile name calling.

>His death serves as a warning to us all to stay away from idiots in
>diving. If they can get a guy like Rob, they can get any of us.

    I don't remember seeing any one pushing or forcing Rob to do that last
final dive - maybe you know some thing that the rest of us dont ?

>Now we still have people like "Grant" who have no idea what they are
talking about in terms of diving,

    As some one who know jack about me.....that is saying a great deal about
yourself

..> my contribution to diving,

  Not that you've got an ego problem here but,  I dont recall slating you
for you contribution to diving, just your childish behaviour when some one
dies or is involved in an accident

> or anything
>else who feel the need to be heard from in defense of the right to be a
>blithering idiot and ruin diving for all of us.

    I'm in no way out to ruin diving for any one - thats your chip
speaking - it just annoys me to see people who could use their position to
better the WHOLE of the sport diving scene, being such a childish and purile
creature.

>Show me where I am wrong and where there is a better way, do what I did
>with it, or shut the hell up, "Grant" and the rest of those who just can
>not bring themselves to see the reality of what is going on here.

    Where you are wrong amd out of order is, you are in a position to
benefit a lot of people with your knowledge - but you get on here spouting
away and childish name calling, and people class you as a waste of space and
breathing gas.
    Why not use your position to try to educate people - and to do that you
have to have their respect.

>Any discussion of alternative diving methods with these guys is usually
>very short .

    Maybe its your approach which needs to be worked upon here - slagging
people off, wont make them change

    Grant


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