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From: "Bill Mee" <wwm@sa*.ne*>
To: <tgunther@co*.co*>, "techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Cc: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Subject: Re: Doria Count?
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:30:03 -0400
Tod,

The beyond the pale idocy rampant in the so called "technical diving" field
is usually promoted by individuals with self efffacing and congenial
dispositions. Many of these people who have been the subject of our public
admonishments and strident criticisms would otherwise be considered "nice
guys" if you met them at at a church social or a coffee house.  I can
specifically list to you numerous causes of death which were a direct result
of following the pronouncements of these very same "nice guys". For that
matter, Hannibal Lector was a nice guy, until he started up with the fava
beans and the chianti and gnawed your face off.

How soon you forget about the dead people.  How soon you forget about how
easy it is to get killed practicing this stuff. What about the six people
killed on the Inspiration over the last two years? What about all of the
poor dead people whose last ride was on a boat named the Seeker?  Do you
think that their relatives have forgotten about this tragedy? Do think that
they would have been offended if someone like George got in their face and
got their their attention long enough to have chosen the sensible option?

You may think that the WKPP is just bs. That's fine, you're entitled to your
opinion. But let me tell you that we are all alive today because George got
in our face and enforced rational, sensible judgement derived from the most
basic of common sense principles. He got our attention, maybe in the same
fashion that a bad traffic accident gets your full frontal attention, and we
put aside our little hurt feelings and got on with doing things right. There
is no room for such maudlin crap in situations where a slight miscalculation
can spell instant death. There is nothing polite about death and if you are
this thin skinned and don't get the underlying message then you need to be
pursuing a more polite hobby like golf, coin collecting or as a professional
etiquette instructor.

Best regards,

Bill

-----Original Message-----generally promoted
From: tgunther@co*.co* <tgunther@co*.co*>
To: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Doria Count?


>George Irvine:
>
>The reputation of the WKPP in the industry is well established.   Your
>professional  record is beyond dispute.    But like others, I find myself
>wondering why such ingenue behaviour is necessary when recounting
unfortunate
>deaths within the community?    Is it really necessary to scurry around
like a
>little June Beetle that takes advantage of all the carnage around itself?
Is
>such insolent chest-beating truly important in situations like this?
Yes,
>many of us believe that your methods and techniques transcend those of the
>organizations you speak of, but must you take on such a self-righteous and
>sanctimonious attitude when presenting them?     Wherever I go among
technical
>circles and the name of George Irvine comes up, it is always with great
respect
>in the accomplishments of the WKPP, but than it is quickly followed with an
>apology for your behaviour.   Why must colleagues always make excuses for
you in
>the industry?    People are ashamed of the way you act and the childlike
manner
>in which you present yourself and your views.     Please, for the benefit
of the
>industry and the hopes of furthering the techniques that will hopefully
save
>more lives within in, try to be more professional and worthy of the
reputation
>in which you are accorded.   You will be taken much more seriously, and
>hopefully your message will be as well.
>
>Respectfully,
>Tod Gunther
>
>
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