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From: <"Daniel_Smith"@COLPAL.COM>
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:17:59 -0400
Subject: RE: If you mess with it, it isn't DIR




Ok, haven't we had enough of this already??  Art DIR is a set philosophy by the
WKPP divers for the diving and goals that they carry out.  Why do people feel
like they need a validation from this group.  Why do you feel your configuration
needs to be called DIR?  Jim said it the best, DIR belongs to the WKPP, if you
want to start the North East Lobster Diving Configuration for Optimal Diving,
you could call it NELDCOD!! and create videos, and argue with people who would
say well is it NELDCOD to put the lobster gauge on the bag, or should it be on a
lanyard?  This discussion is getting ridiculous.  Unless you are diving the
WHOLE SYSTEM, no matter what your goal of the dive is, you will not be DIR in
the eyes of a DIR diver.

oh, and Art, I am also a NE wreck diver, I rig my gear as close to Hogarthain as
I can, but in no way do I call it DIR, because it is not the WHOLE SYSTEM.



From: "Paltz; Art" <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*> AT INTERNET on 05/24/99 11:02 AM

To:   "Mailing Tech Diver List (E-mail)" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> AT
      INTERNET@US*
cc:    (bcc: Daniel Smith/USATC/NA/COLPAL)
bcc:  Daniel Smith/USATC/NA/COLPAL
Subject:  RE: If you mess with it, it isn't DIR




OK, stirring the pot some more.  If you are hunting for NE lobsters (you know,
the smart ones with claws....), what is the proper DIR setup?  As I think Janet
said last week, wearing anything on the wrist is a liability and DEFINITELY not
optimal.  Considering DIR by definition if I'm not mistaken is minimal and
optimal, what do you do with the compass and bottom timer on your wrist?
Hum....  Could the answer be a console.....  Oh my God, a little bit of logic to
the discussion.....

Art.


                -----Original Message-----
                From:   bdi@wh*.ne* [mailto:bdi@wh*.ne*]
                Sent:   Monday, May 24, 1999 9:45 AM
                To:     Guy Wittig; techdiver@aquanaut.com
                Subject:        Re: If you mess with it, it isn't DIR

                At 07:44 PM 24/5/99 +1000, Guy Wittig wrote:
                >Billy
                >>
                >>You're right Kev. I believe that on the next space shuttle
                >>launch, the NASA engineers are going to try putting the
engines
                >>at the top, firing upwards.
                >
                >
                >And without people trying new ideas and living with the
adverse comments
                >from the status-quo NASA would still be using Mercury
rockets because they
                >were simple, clean and functional.

                Nah. Not powerful enough. The Russians are still lifting bigger
                payloads with their original rocket motors. Which means they got
                it right earlier and are still doing it right.

                >
                >Not that I approve of consoles, but this is obviously a dumb
statement.

                Possibly, but only from your myopic perspective.

                Guy, one more time, you can't take DIR, change it,
                and call it DIR.

                You can't take an entire system, change a piece of
                it, and then rely on the continuing integrity of the system.

                And as far as 'people trying new ideas and living
                with the adverse comments from the status-quo' goes, why don;t
                you take a look at the half baked people who get on this list
                with their ill-conceived ideas to 'improve' a system they
                clearly don't understand.

                Not one of them can match the knowledge, experience, ability,
                safety and achievements of the people who invented DIR. People
                who, dive some of the most demanding environments in the world,
                and who,
                tellingly, dive DIR just the way it is, with none
                of these so-called 'improvements'.

                Ever stopped to wonder why?

                If that doesn't tell you something, nothing will.

                >
                >There is always a place for well informed, well thought out
innovation.
                >And
                >if DIR does not ever take on board innovation then
eventually it will become
                >irrelevent.

                Says who?

                rgrds     billyw

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