Mailing List Archive Mailing List Archive
--------------DAB85EE9CB98108D0B9CCF34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugo: Please don't dive with ppO2 over 1.4 on the bottom, or over 1.6 decompressing. Read my Cautionary Tales (http://wrolf.net/Cautionary.html) if you want some convincing. I would be interested in how you rig independent doubles, since it seems to me that this is the only way to go for most destinations when diving deep. Anyone know what happened to the list of places that rent out manifolded doubles? Wrolf Club Red wrote: > Hi Billy > > I reply to you, as it's true you have been very patient to me. I appreciate > that. > Listen to me now. > > I live in Egypt. In this country, there is around 300 dive clubs, 2 of them > offering Trimix. Diver's Lodge and... ClubRed. Helium is about $.07 a liter. > That's the price I sell it. I could hardly make it cheaper. So, if I wanted > to be DIR it would cost me 2x$54 to go to 60m with my 2x80. > > On the other hand, air singles are available under each stone around here. > Billy, I'm 40, I have 2500 dives, maybe 800 of them around or below 60m, > most of them on air, and I run the technical side of the operations here. > Don't make me more stupid than I am. Double manifolds are incomparably more > difficult to transport and have refilled compared to the singles you just > rent on a boat. 100 tanks on the boat. No compressor. One dive and I would > have to go to shore to refill. Is that your alternative? I then use my 15L > tank w/H-valve for 1 dive, and then... independent singles. > > I find manifolds so safe and practical. I'm just trying to get the right > size of manifolds and the right size of steel bands for the last 6 months. > No way for the moment. I'll go to Europe next month, buy them, ship them, > and then argue with the customs for another 3 months to get them into the > country. So by next fall I hope to have them here. Inch'Allah. They would > make my life so much easier. > > I could go through more examples. If I was DIR I would just not dive. So > yes, I have a much better solution than DIR. A solution which allows me to > dive everyday. I don't think you're interested to know how I rig my > independent > singles, but you'll be happy to know that my philosophy is pretty close to > yours. Keep everything as simple and idiot-proof as possible, specially as > under narcosis I become pretty stupid, so I don't want to take any chance to > do a mistake. Everybody around here uses pretty much the same config. Mine. > It became a > standard around here. > > I'm doing the best I can with the limited possibilities I have. Whenever I > can do better I will. Improvement is on the way. > > Billy, I don't disconsider you or anything you do. I'm nobody to do that. I > just feel that you guys, regardless of local specificities and difficulties, > are calling "funny names" anyone who doesn't do exactly like you. This is > why I sound so defensive. I have been attacked straight away. You don't seem > to be interested in what hapens here, you just seem to have a pretty > straight idea of how things MUST be done. It's not always possible. Not > everybody lives in the States or in Australia. > > We might meet one day, I'm sure I'm gonna learn so much from you, and, > probably, you'll be surprised how much you can learn from me. > > >>Heresy. Religion. Fanaticism. Intolerance. > > I hope you understand these words now. This is how most of you sound to me. > Come here and teach me. I'm pretty sure we'll laugh together. > > Best regards. > > Hugo. > > PS please, don't call me a two-faced hypocrit any more. I think I have > proved to be quite straight. If needed I'll prove again. And the bragadoccio > has more tricks in his pocket than you (seem to?) think. Ciao. > > -----Original Message----- > From: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*> > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 2:13 AM > Subject: Re: Hugo's contribution > > >At 07:14 PM 21/5/99 +0300, Club Red wrote: > >>Yes Kevin. > >> > >>Heresy. Religion. Fanaticism. Intolerance. > >> > >>These are the words which come to my mind. > >> > >>Regards. > >> > >>Hugo. > > > >Hugo, old chook, over a number of emails, I have taken each > >of your misapprehensions about the DIR system and carefully > >and politely corrected them. > > > >When you came up with a succession of spurious reasons why > >DIR would not work in your particular kind of water, point- > >by-point, I patiently showed you how each obstacle could be > >surmounted, until you finally ran out of lame excuses for > >not Doing It Right. ( I especially liked your claim that > >singles are easier to fill than a set of doubles). > > > >When you twisted my explanations, I carefully and civilly > >untwisted them. I have been nothing but polite and tolerant, > >even when, through ignorance or intention, your posts became > >rude and provocative. > > > >But now I have to ask a question Hugo. You obviously object > >quite strenuously when we propose a demonstrably safer and > >more efficient system of diving than the deep air strokery > >you teach and defend. So come on Hugo. Here's your big > >moment. What's your alternative? What exactly is it that YOU > >have to offer, besides a history of teaching young divers to > >dive deep on air? Of taking their money and justifying > >yourself with rambling half-coherent explanations of how > >"they were going to do it anyway." > > > >I'm curious to see if you have anything to offer besides the > >bullshit, braggadocio and two-faced hypocrisy that we have > >seen so far. > > > >rgds billyw > > > > > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Scaleworks@ao*.co* <Scaleworks@ao*.co*> > >>To: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com > >><techdiver@aquanaut.com> > >>Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 5:49 PM > >>Subject: Re: > >> > >> > >>>In a message dated 99-05-21 10:14:28 EDT, bdi@wh*.ne* writes: > >>> > >>><< >"My understanding is that the DIR method includes the > >>> >reduction of clutter and the minimizing of potential > >>> >failure points. Can you really consider a backup BT as > >>> >clutter, or an additional failure point? How are people > >>> >configuring this backup timer on their gear where it is > >>> >considered clutter? I choose not to wear my BT on my > >>> >wrist, but on a console, clipped on the left d ring as > >>> >in DIR. Is this extra 4 inches of console clutter? " > >>> > >>> This person is now claiming that diving with a goddamn > >>> console is DIR!!!! >> > >>> > >>>Read it again Billy, I was asking what is wrong with a console, I merely > >>>stated I clip it off in the same fashion as DIR. Why don't you answer the > >>>question instead of getting your feathers all ruffled about imagined DIR > >>>heresy. > >>> > >>>Kevin > >>>-- > >>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >>> > >> > >>-- > >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >> > >> > > > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Wrolf wrolf@wr*.ne* Wrolf's Wreck: http://wrolf.net Wrolf's Net.Wreck: http://wrolf.net/netmgmt.shtml --------------DAB85EE9CB98108D0B9CCF34 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Hugo: <p>Please don't dive with ppO<sub>2</sub> over 1.4 on the bottom, or over 1.6 decompressing. <p>Read my Cautionary Tales (<A HREF="http://wrolf.net/Cautionary.html">http://wrolf.net/Cautionary.html</A>) if you want some convincing. <p>I would be interested in how you rig independent doubles, since it seems to me that this is the only way to go for most destinations when diving deep. Anyone know what happened to the list of places that rent out manifolded doubles? <p>Wrolf <p>Club Red wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi Billy <p>I reply to you, as it's true you have been very patient to me. I appreciate <br>that. <br>Listen to me now. <p>I live in Egypt. In this country, there is around 300 dive clubs, 2 of them <br>offering Trimix. Diver's Lodge and... ClubRed. Helium is about $.07 a liter. <br>That's the price I sell it. I could hardly make it cheaper. So, if I wanted <br>to be DIR it would cost me 2x$54 to go to 60m with my 2x80. <p>On the other hand, air singles are available under each stone around here. <br>Billy, I'm 40, I have 2500 dives, maybe 800 of them around or below 60m, <br>most of them on air, and I run the technical side of the operations here. <br>Don't make me more stupid than I am. Double manifolds are incomparably more <br>difficult to transport and have refilled compared to the singles you just <br>rent on a boat. 100 tanks on the boat. No compressor. One dive and I would <br>have to go to shore to refill. Is that your alternative? I then use my 15L <br>tank w/H-valve for 1 dive, and then... independent singles. <p>I find manifolds so safe and practical. I'm just trying to get the right <br>size of manifolds and the right size of steel bands for the last 6 months. <br>No way for the moment. I'll go to Europe next month, buy them, ship them, <br>and then argue with the customs for another 3 months to get them into the <br>country. So by next fall I hope to have them here. Inch'Allah. They would <br>make my life so much easier. <p>I could go through more examples. If I was DIR I would just not dive. So <br>yes, I have a much better solution than DIR. A solution which allows me to <br>dive everyday. I don't think you're interested to know how I rig my <br>independent <br>singles, but you'll be happy to know that my philosophy is pretty close to <br>yours. Keep everything as simple and idiot-proof as possible, specially as <br>under narcosis I become pretty stupid, so I don't want to take any chance to <br>do a mistake. Everybody around here uses pretty much the same config. Mine. <br>It became a <br>standard around here. <p>I'm doing the best I can with the limited possibilities I have. Whenever I <br>can do better I will. Improvement is on the way. <p>Billy, I don't disconsider you or anything you do. I'm nobody to do that. I <br>just feel that you guys, regardless of local specificities and difficulties, <br>are calling "funny names" anyone who doesn't do exactly like you. This is <br>why I sound so defensive. I have been attacked straight away. You don't seem <br>to be interested in what hapens here, you just seem to have a pretty <br>straight idea of how things MUST be done. It's not always possible. Not <br>everybody lives in the States or in Australia. <p>We might meet one day, I'm sure I'm gonna learn so much from you, and, <br>probably, you'll be surprised how much you can learn from me. <p>>>Heresy. Religion. Fanaticism. Intolerance. <p>I hope you understand these words now. This is how most of you sound to me. <br>Come here and teach me. I'm pretty sure we'll laugh together. <p>Best regards. <p>Hugo. <p>PS please, don't call me a two-faced hypocrit any more. I think I have <br>proved to be quite straight. If needed I'll prove again. And the bragadoccio <br>has more tricks in his pocket than you (seem to?) think. Ciao. <p>-----Original Message----- <br>From: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*> <br>To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> <br>Date: Sunday, May 23, 1999 2:13 AM <br>Subject: Re: Hugo's contribution <p>>At 07:14 PM 21/5/99 +0300, Club Red wrote: <br>>>Yes Kevin. <br>>> <br>>>Heresy. Religion. Fanaticism. Intolerance. <br>>> <br>>>These are the words which come to my mind. <br>>> <br>>>Regards. <br>>> <br>>>Hugo. <br>> <br>>Hugo, old chook, over a number of emails, I have taken each <br>>of your misapprehensions about the DIR system and carefully <br>>and politely corrected them. <br>> <br>>When you came up with a succession of spurious reasons why <br>>DIR would not work in your particular kind of water, point- <br>>by-point, I patiently showed you how each obstacle could be <br>>surmounted, until you finally ran out of lame excuses for <br>>not Doing It Right. ( I especially liked your claim that <br>>singles are easier to fill than a set of doubles). <br>> <br>>When you twisted my explanations, I carefully and civilly <br>>untwisted them. I have been nothing but polite and tolerant, <br>>even when, through ignorance or intention, your posts became <br>>rude and provocative. <br>> <br>>But now I have to ask a question Hugo. You obviously object <br>>quite strenuously when we propose a demonstrably safer and <br>>more efficient system of diving than the deep air strokery <br>>you teach and defend. So come on Hugo. Here's your big <br>>moment. What's your alternative? What exactly is it that YOU <br>>have to offer, besides a history of teaching young divers to <br>>dive deep on air? Of taking their money and justifying <br>>yourself with rambling half-coherent explanations of how <br>>"they were going to do it anyway." <br>> <br>>I'm curious to see if you have anything to offer besides the <br>>bullshit, braggadocio and two-faced hypocrisy that we have <br>>seen so far. <br>> <br>>rgds billyw <br>> <br>> <br>>> <br>>>-----Original Message----- <br>>>From: Scaleworks@ao*.co* <Scaleworks@ao*.co*> <br>>>To: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com <br>>><techdiver@aquanaut.com> <br>>>Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 5:49 PM <br>>>Subject: Re: <br>>> <br>>> <br>>>>In a message dated 99-05-21 10:14:28 EDT, bdi@wh*.ne* writes: <br>>>> <br>>>><< >"My understanding is that the DIR method includes the <br>>>> >reduction of clutter and the minimizing of potential <br>>>> >failure points. Can you really consider a backup BT as <br>>>> >clutter, or an additional failure point? How are people <br>>>> >configuring this backup timer on their gear where it is <br>>>> >considered clutter? I choose not to wear my BT on my <br>>>> >wrist, but on a console, clipped on the left d ring as <br>>>> >in DIR. Is this extra 4 inches of console clutter? " <br>>>> <br>>>> This person is now claiming that diving with a goddamn <br>>>> console is DIR!!!! >> <br>>>> <br>>>>Read it again Billy, I was asking what is wrong with a console, I merely <br>>>>stated I clip it off in the same fashion as DIR. Why don't you answer the <br>>>>question instead of getting your feathers all ruffled about imagined DIR <br>>>>heresy. <br>>>> <br>>>>Kevin <br>>>>-- <br>>>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. <br>>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. <br>>>> <br>>> <br>>>-- <br>>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. <br>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. <br>>> <br>>> <br>> <br>>-- <br>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. <br>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. <br>> <p>-- <br>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. <br>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.</blockquote> <p>-- <br>Wrolf &n bsp; wrolf@wr*.ne* <p>Wrolf's Wreck: <A HREF="http://wrolf.net">http://wrolf.net</A> <br>Wrolf's Net.Wreck: <A HREF="http://wrolf.net/netmgmt.shtml">http://wrolf.net/netmgmt.shtml</A> <br> </html> --------------DAB85EE9CB98108D0B9CCF34-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
Navigate by Author:
[Previous]
[Next]
[Author Search Index]
Navigate by Subject:
[Previous]
[Next]
[Subject Search Index]
[Send Reply] [Send Message with New Topic]
[Search Selection] [Mailing List Home] [Home]