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Wrolf, don't even start. When you have as many dives as the booties I am wearing, then please feel free to comment...cyber diving does not count Your self-avowed change to DIR is as hollow as Williams argument that you can be as safe solo as you can with a buddy. The argument presented is that in dirty water, hunting, phototog etc, you can't be expected to stay with a buddy...that is bull. I know a ton of Force Recon Marines, who by the nature of their jobs dive in the dirtiest, shittiest conditions possible, yet they still practice and maintain 100% buddy integrity. How would that be any different from diving anywhere else? I have done salvage jobs in ZERO vis, and we still maintained buddy contact via a tug line. The buddy system is like anything else...it requires practice, vigilance and a commitment by BOTH divers to give 100% during the dive. Why do you find that so hard to rationalize? This entire argument started with someone asking about two bottom timers...not the ability to solo dive. My response was that in a technical diving situation, you are 100% better off with a buddy (your redundant bottom timer in this instance) then without. Debate it all you want, the proof is there that a bad (Derek Mcnulty) or a non-existent buddy (Check the Doria deaths for Solo deaths) is more dangerous then a well trained, reliable buddy. If you don't have one, find one, dive with them in many other conditions and THEN if your 100% comfortable do tech with them. My regular buddy has been unavailable to dive lately due to his work schedule, so I passed on a trip to the Hydro today...and I wanted to go bad. Unless I have a buddy I can trust 100%, I don't go. Dive Solo to your hearts content, do the Doria solo until your blue in the face...but don't ever profess to be DIR while doing so...its a contradiction as Jim stated earlier. I don't get the "rush" Jim does by putting my life on the line unnecessarily. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@wr*.ne*> To: William Allen <william@ca*.co*> Cc: TECH LIST <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Redundant Equipment and Holgarth > >William Allen wrote: > >> My point if you count your buddy as your redundant back up, how is that >> safe? Never, Never, never count on some one else to pull your butt out of a >> sling. If you do count on him, and while diving get separated what happens? >> A buddy is nice to have, but to count on him how is that rational. We dive >> in an area where buddy separation is a fact of life, turn your head, stop to >> see something and he's gone, a feature of poor visibility diving. I'm sorry >> if I feel increased danger doesn't stop me from enjoying things I like. It's >> called risk management it's throughout one's life from bankers, businessman, >> to insurance people. You look at the risk, do your planning to minimize it, >> than rationally decide is there an alternative and then you ask can I accept >> this risk? >> I think some of the most dangerous diving i have ever heard of is what the >> wkpp does. These guys know the risk, work every posible angle to minumize >> the risk. The accept a very real risk every time they do this, should they >> say no because of the risk? I know they look at their dive buddies as a last >> line of defense, there if all else fails. The first line should always be >> you and your brain, your equipment, your personal redundency. Most buddies, >> unless you dive reguarly togther, share goals and have similar skill levels >> can add more risk than redundecy. > >Couldn't agree with you more William, especially the last sentence. > >Do not expect to have a rational conversation with Sean. It is like those post >dive >conversations with the buddy who disappears. They see themselves as in >the right, now what's the question? > >-- >Wrolf wrolf@wr*.ne* > >Wrolf's Wreck: http://wrolf.net >Wrolf's Net.Wreck: http://wrolf.net/netmgmt.shtml > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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