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Hi Thomas I thought I was replying to the list when I replied to you. I'll always send a CC to techdiver from now on. >I will bet you that 10-10 cases they are non DIR divers, most probably >using oms wings or other convoluted gear and configurations and deep air. Right, mate. Non DIR. Recreational. This is what we start from. >Don't make the dive if you don't have the tools. Right again. Volvo is much safer. Don't drive your old Vw any more. I think we know each other better now. Thanks for your patient ear. Regards. Hugo. -----Original Message----- From: S I L E N T I M M E R S I O N <silent@cu*.ne*> To: Club Red <clubred@in*.co*> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 12:33 AM Subject: Re: I do care >Hugo, > >>Nobody ever stopped me from doing what I wanted. 315 ft, I >>don't know if someone tried to stop you, but that day it didn't seem to >>work. > >Yes, I am stopped. Not that day, because I did not know any better. Neither >on my numerous air dives to 220ft. But you will NEVER be able to get me on >a deep air dive again. That is something I decided because of greater >knowledge now. > >>increase the chances of survival. It's called technical diving. > >Deep air is not considered technical diving by us. We compare it with >smoking pot and using other intoxicating substances. > >>As unbelievable as it might seem to you, we're hoping to save lives by >>promoting deep air diving instead of blinding ourselves. We're trying to >>offer a much safer alternative. We believe in education, not in forbidding. > >You would be educating people if you would start telling them the truth. In >fact you are not telling the truth at the moment. You are very pourly >informed on this subject and I hope I can help you out there. > >>The Prohibition did'nt work. It actually made the drinking problem worse, by >>forcing people to hide and pretend they are not what they actually are. Note >>that the drug prohibition doesn't seem to work either. > >Listen Hugo, you are not promoting drunk driving are you? If somebody wants >to get drunk fine, but do not let them drive a car. Not only would they be >very probable to hurt themselves, also they could hurt others. basicly you >are teaching people how to drive while under influence. Very comparable. > >>I'm writing to you from Egypt. A country in which Helium is barely available >>(we are the only center in Sinai offering it, among 100+ dive centers). > >Same over here... > >>And outrageously expensive. Most of my students are resident professional >>divers, making usually less than $1000 a month. But diving everyday, several >>times usually. How can I tell them: the only way is DIR, as you define it? >>And spending several hundred dollars each dive? > >Don't make the dive if you don't have the tools. > >>Aside from all that, as far as I know nobody came with a satisfying >>explanation about Rob Palmer's death. > >Well he was diving deep air. The last article in Diver Magazine was pretty >clear about what was going on... >Now, funny that most pro deep air guys say that about this accident. It is >very clear cut though. > >>comparison between narcosis and drunk driving is wrong. After years of >>heavy motorcycle racing I have been hit by a drunk driver, while I was >>waiting at the stoplight on my motorcycle. I'm now doing deep open-water >>diving, usually alone. My chances of being hit by a narced diver are pretty >>slim. I would certainly act differently if I was doing cave diving, wreck >>diving, or any kind of diving in which you rely on a team for your safety. > >Still you could hurt yourself easier on deep air. > >>Maybe all my thoughts have nothing to do on this list. > >Oh yes, they do! I leave it up to you to hit the list with some of the >stuff you just mailed me. I am sure you will get very clear answers. > >> Your problems seem to be different. Are they really? Your philosophy >seems extremely >safe. Only a lucky few can use it though. > >Welcome to technical diving. > >>You probably could not use it when you went to 315ft. > >Again, don't forget I did not know any better at that moment... > >>I'd just like to give a better chance of survival to the young instructor >you probably were at >that time (by de-strokifying him, maybe?). > >Exactly. And maybe start with yourself? :-) > >>Aside from the irrealistic use of mixed-gas (in most of the world), and of >>drysuits (water temperature 30 degrees here in summer) > >Water is 28-29 here year round. The drysuit is used for long mix dives. >2-3hrs on the reef. >The drysuits we use are very thin trilam. Not using any undergarment will >get you cold within 10-20 minutes. The drysuit keeps you dry, the >undergarment provides the necessary warmth. > >I really encourage you to put some good questions about deep air on the >list to get some more solid info. the more different views you get, the >better an opinion you can make up for yourself. > >Do not fool yourself by saying your cicumstances are very different. This >list counts about 700 members, among the most avid technical divers in the >world. You have hit upon the most valuable source of information there is >in the world when it comes to deep diving techniques. >Those members are really scattered around the globe... >We have analysed a lot of deep diving accidents the past years, accidents >happening all over the world. if you know about something happening in your >area, please submit any available info to techdiver for general review and >discussion. > >I will bet you that 10-10 cases they are non DIR divers, most probably >using oms wings or other convoluted gear and configurations and deep air. >The safety record of DIR divers is 100%... And amazing things are >accomplished all over the world using these techniques... > >Later, > >THOMAS > > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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