Holy shit! I take back all the bad things I've said about OMS manifolds.

   Jim

Sender: Jess Armantrout  Date: 4/11/99 10:01 PM

>Well, Jim, good answer.  It saved you a pounding.
>
>And now, for the rest of the story.
>
>(insert your own Paul Harvey voice here)
>
>Robert was a novice cave diver looking for experience.  You see, in his home
>state, cave diving was all but unheard of, and competent cave diving buddies
>were hard to find.  But as luck would have it, one day young Robert met up
>with another cave diver and they began planning to make the 12 hour drive to
>Mecca...Lake City, Florida.
>
>One the eve of the fateful trip the two adventurers began loading Robert's
>plush conversion van.  It was obvious that all of the gear for the odyssey
>was not going to fit and the other diver offered to rent a U-haul trailer.
>"No need", said the thrifty Robert "I have a trailer."  Well now this wasn't
>your ordinary trailer.  No, this was a Sears fold up trailer made of sturdy
>American made aluminum, complete with ten inch wheels and rated for 1000
>pounds!
>
>The trailer was quickly loaded with 2 sets of doubles, 8 stage bottles, 1
>scooter, 3 T cylinders of oxygen, 2 sets of miscellaneous dive gear and one
>Nikonos V and strobe packed neatly in a nifty Pelican case.  Now, as it
>turned out, most of Robert's gear wound up in the van, and the other diver
>was a little nervous about the capacity of the trailer.  He suggested
>ditching the van, loading the excess gear into his truck and following
>Robert to Florida, but Robert insisted the little trailer could do the job.
>
>Off into the night our adventurers drove.  The dawn found them well within
>Florida and doing a comfortable 70 mph down I-10.  As Robert drove, the
>second diver rested on the bed in the back.  Suddenly, the unmistakable
>sound of metal against asphalt shattered the calm and as the diver on the
>bed looked out the rear window, he saw the trailer trying to pass Robert to
>the left.  Now, Robert was in the left lane and this left little room for
>the trailer to maneuver.  With it's tongue still attached to the trailer
>hitch and now dragging on the pavement, the little trailer headed for the me
>dian where it began flying through the air end of end.
>
>By the time Robert was able to U-turn and get back to the scene of the
>disaster, the smoke had pretty much cleared.  Gear was strewn over a 50 yard
>long stretch.  It looked very much like those pictures you see of airplane
>crash sites.  Amazingly, the oxygen cylinders did not explode.  The pelican
>case did it's job.  The scooter case did it's job.  Most of the
>miscellaneous gear was fine.  Despair had been replaced by hope.  That is
>until the two divers sadly examined the doubles.  The set with the Dive-Rite
>manifold and bands, though not leaking, were goners.  The top band had
>failed and the manifold was now Z shaped where the relatively thin threaded
>spool sections with the double barrel o rings had been bent.
>
>Turning to the other set of doubles, the ones sporting the OMS manifold and
>bands, the two were amazed! After digging the sod out of the valve outlets
>and blowing them clean, it became apparent there was no damage!  None
>whatsoever.  And Robert Laird and Jess Armantrout were able to successful
>complete their pilgrimage.
>
>And now you know, the REST of the story.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
>To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; Elinor Lucas & Matt
>Abramovich <lucasabramovich@sp*.ca*>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 8:00 PM
>Subject: Re: WTB: Used OMS iso manifold
>
>
>>I would guess that 99% of my opinions are based on my personal
>>experience. When I read George's opinion of OMS manifolds I partook to
>>investigate one and found that he was probably correct in his opinion of
>>said manifold. And, in my experience, I have found that Georges track
>>record is similar to yours, therefore my post. I will admit that I have
>>not used one or had one fail on me so I guess you got me on this one.
>>
>>   Jim
>>
>>Sender: Jess Armantrout  Date: 4/10/99 6:56 PM
>>
>>>negative.  I have yet to see the chief be proven incorrect on any thing to
>>>do with gear, dive planning, or diving in general.
>>>
>>>Now then, answer me this.  Do you ever have an opinion of your own based
>on
>>>experience?
>>>
>>>Jess
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
>>>To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; Elinor Lucas & Matt
>>>Abramovich <lucasabramovich@sp*.ca*>; Tech Diver
><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 8:32 AM
>>>Subject: Re: WTB: Used OMS iso manifold
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ah, contention amongst the ranks. A good thing to see. Seems to me that
>>>>the face ring on a DIN is a more robust fitting that the leverage the
>>>>length of the isolator gives you for potential misalignment. Jess, I take
>>>>it you are the team contrairian?
>>>>
>>>>   Jim
>>>>
>>>>Sender: Jess Armantrout  Date: 4/9/99 9:58 PM
>>>>
>>>>>face oring?  You mean like the oring on a din first stage?
>>>>>
>>>>>dual captured orings?  You mean like on the usdct scooter copies?
>>>>>
>>>>>Trout
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
>>>>>To: Jesse Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; Elinor Lucas & Matt
>>>>>Abramovich <lucasabramovich@sp*.ca*>; Tech Diver
>>><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>>>Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 5:41 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: WTB: Used OMS iso manifold
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To quote your fearless leader the OMS uses a face oring rathter than
>>>>>dual captured orings making them suspectable to leakage due to
>>>>>misalignment or damage.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>Sender: Jesse Armantrout  Date: 4/9/99 2:24 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>My OMS manifold will be the last one I sell.  No, I do not have any
>for
>>>>>sale.  I was wondering your reasons why they are so bad.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jess
>>>>>
>>>>>----------
>>>>> From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
>>>>> To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; Elinor Lucas &
>Matt
>>>>>Abramovich <lucasabramovich@sp*.ca*>; Tech Diver
>>>>><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: WTB: Used OMS iso manifold
>>>>> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 1:20 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> What, you do have some for sale? If they are so great why sell 'em?
>>>>>
>>>>>    Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Sender: Jess Armantrout  Date: 4/8/99 11:20 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> >Really?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Trout
>>>>> >
>>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>>> >From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
>>>>> >To: Elinor Lucas & Matt Abramovich <lucasabramovich@sp*.ca*>; Tech
>>>>>Diver
>>>>> ><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>>> >Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 6:55 PM
>>>>> >Subject: Re: WTB: Used OMS iso manifold
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>You're too late, the garbage man came last tuesday. Why would you
>>>want
>>>>>a
>>>>> >>set of the worse manifolds ever made?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Sender: Elinor Lucas & Matt Abramovich  Date: 4/8/99 1:05 PM
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>Just wondering if maybe one of you has one of these sitting around
>>>in
>>>>>the
>>>>> >>>garage amidst the 5 sets of
>>>>> >>>doubles, two Gavin scooters, 30 assorted stages, Halcyon
>>>rebreather,
>>>>>two
>>>>> >>>TLS drysuits, 30 regs, 3 Barry Miller primary lights, 3
>backplates,
>>>>>three
>>>>> >>>wings, masks, fins, backup lights, chargers, tools, analyzers,
>>>etc.,
>>>>>a
>>>>>14
>>>>> >>>foot jon
>>>>> >>>boat and motor. ;-)        Hmmm, Trout, Joel?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>Thanks,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>Matt
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>>
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