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Steve, you are clinging on to your trim excuse. Do you have a different center of gravity than us humans? Let me guess: "My head sinks down!" I'll admit I had one HELL of time getting my trim right at first when I got into 104's, but it's not impossible, and i overcame it within about 10-20 dives. (prior to be punished by the master :-) I knew the system worked, and that something was wrong with me, not vice versa. At 12:17 PM 3/16/1999 -0800, you wrote: >All, > >No worries. I did not take umbrige with his remarks, but the >nastiness that abounds on this list needs to stop. It is easier >to stop it before it begins. > >We have some dives here that are great until 140 feet or so, then >it is like night (Scripps Canyon). > >Kevin did make a good point though. It is a SYSTEM. One cannot just >change one thing without thinking about the consequences of the >change, hence the pockets. To me, the trim is paramount as it allows me to >kick and glide, using less energy and gas. That is also considered part >of the system. > >Regards > >Steve > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Garrett Weinberg [mailto:scubait@ix*.ne*.co*] >Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 11:59 AM >To: Sean Cary >Cc: Steve Hogan; Kevin Connell; techdiver@aquanaut.com >Subject: Re: Weight belts and backplates > > >Please forgive Kevin. He lives in Seattle and dives Puget Sound [or >occassionally caves]. In our water, its always dark - even at 9:00AM. Kevin >just >assumes that all diving is like this. Great viz, bright sunshine (another >unknown in Seattle), clear water, diving where no lights are needed, etc. >etc. >are unknown concepts n- hence the innocent mistake about other locations. > ><g> > >Garrett Weinberg > >Sean Cary wrote: > >> >Why would you dive without a light? Its a system, not a bunch of pieces. >> >> Cuase it aint dark out? I dive DIR, but during day, recreational dives, I >> don't wear my cannister light. DIR also states you take only what you >> need...I really don't find a need for 50 watts at 9 a.m.... >> >> I think we're losing the commonsense portion of this system. >> >> Sean >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >> To: Steve Hogan <Steve.Hogan@tr*.co*> >> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 12:17 PM >> Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates >> >> >It's my understanding the the cannister light (14AH) is 7lbs negative. >> > >> >Why would you dive without a light? Its a system, not a bunch of pieces. >> > >> >DIR or DDIAA. >> > >> >At 09:12 AM 3/16/1999 -0800, you wrote: >> >>Kevin, >> >> >> >>I found the V-weight interferred with the argon bottle. A solution >> >>was to notch out where the argon bottle strap goes. This still >> >>did not provide good trim for me. so I moved it. >> >> >> >>I still need the weight (all of 6 lbs), but not as a V-weight. >> >>This is when I am diving without my canister light. When I use >> >>my canister light, then no weight is needed. >> >> >> >>My canister light is not 6 lbs negative, only three. I use 6 >> >>lbs as smaller weights move or fall out. >> >> >> >>Steve >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] >> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 9:04 AM >> >>To: Steve Hogan >> >>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com >> >>Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates >> >> >> >> >> >>Steve, you're quoted below saying weight is needed, and that a v-weight >> >>doesn't work well with an argon bottle, neither of which are true. >> >> >> >>There, I said it without an insult. >> >> >> >>At 08:30 AM 3/16/1999 -0800, you wrote: >> >>>More insults... >> >>> >> >>>As you will see in a message that I just sent to Cobb, >> >>>The trim is far better (for me) than the V weight. >> >>> >> >>>FWIW, I dive in Southern Californina (Sunday 52 deg) >> >>> >> >>>Why don't you explain what you are doing instead of assuming >> >>>that anyone diving different than you is doing is wrong? >> >>> >> >>>Steve >> >>> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >> >>>From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] >> >>>Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 8:25 PM >> >>>To: Steve Hogan >> >>>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com >> >>>Subject: RE: Weight belts and backplates >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Yes, steve, please tell us about your cold water drysuit diving. >> >>> >> >>>It must be a miracle how I dive in 41f water without any weight. Or, >> maybe >> >>>it's just that I do it right, and you do it wrong. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>At 06:15 PM 3/15/1999 -0800, you wrote: >> >>>>Cobb, >> >>>> >> >>>>You didn't answer the question. >> >>>> >> >>>>For cold water/drysuit diving more lead is required. A V-Weight >> >>>>does not work very well with the Argon bottle, so one needs to >> >>>>add weight somewhere. >> >>>> >> >>>>I have found that I need 6 lbs (for the end of the dive to be neutral) >> >>>>I use two canvas pockets that I slide on to the waist belt. I have >made >> >>>>them so I *can* ditch weight if I choose to. No big deal. Ths also >> allows >> >>>>me to use the same BC for warm water/cold water, single tanks/double >> >>tanks. >> >>>>The pockets are also a good place to put a jon line, notes, whatever. >> >>>> >> >>>>The stainless steel backplate would be way too much in warm water (- >> 8lb) >> >>>>So I made the pockets. I can also remove these underwater (with >gloves) >> >>>>if necessary and they do not get in the way. >> >>>> >> >>>>Yes, I could optimize with two different BCs (SS and AL), but why? >> >>>>This system allows flexibility without compromising any other piece of >> >>>>equipment. Besides, I would much rather drop a weight than my >canister. >> >>>> >> >>>>Steve >> >>>> >> >>>>-----Original Message----- >> >>>>From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*] >> >>>>Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 5:08 PM >> >>>>To: RLucas1013@ao*.co*; Tech Diver >> >>>>Subject: Re: Weight belts and backplates >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>In warm water ocean diving when properly configured you are only >putting >> >>>>about 6 lbs or so on your weightbelt. The whole point of the exercise >is >> >>>>for you to be able to swim up to the surface, not to ditch your >weights >> >>>>in a mad panic and head to the surface like a goddamn polaris missle. >> >>>> >> >>>>If you are tech diving in cold water with a 7mm farmer john that needs >> >>>>35lbs of lead to sink then you are Doing It Wrong. You need to be in a >> >>>>drysuit, a wetsuit is not an option here. And if you are in a drysuit >> you >> >>>>have 2 ways of getting yourself to the surface. If you need a little >> >>>>extra buoyancy you drop your cannister light and your tools. >> >>>> >> >>>>And while George knows of what he speaks, he is stating common sense, >> not >> >>>>dogma. If you think a little about the situation I think you will >agree. >> >>>> >> >>>> Jim >> >>>> >> >>>>Sender: RLucas1013@ao*.co* Date: 3/15/99 5:02 PM >> >>>> >> >>>>>I thought the idea of a weight belt was to drop in an emergency. >George >> >>>has >> >>>>>stated diving with double alum tanks and a wet suit a weight belt is >> the >> >>>>way >> >>>>>to go in open ocean, so in case of an emergency drop the weight. How >do >> >>>you >> >>>>>drop a V weight in an emergency with double alum tanks and a wet suit >> if >> >>>>that >> >>>>>is what you were referring to? In any event how do you drop a V >weight >> in >> >>>>an >> >>>>>emergency in open water? >> >>>>>BOB >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>-- >> >>>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> >>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >>>>-- >> >>>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> >>>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >>>> >> >>>----------------------------------------------- >> >>>Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >> >>> >> >>>NW Labor Systems, Inc >> >>>http://www.nwls.com >> >>> >> >>>And I suppose you want a user interface with >> >>>that..... >> >>>----------------------------------------------- >> >>> >> >>----------------------------------------------- >> >>Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >> >> >> >>NW Labor Systems, Inc >> >>http://www.nwls.com >> >> >> >>And I suppose you want a user interface with >> >>that..... >> >>----------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >----------------------------------------------- >> >Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >> > >> >NW Labor Systems, Inc >> >http://www.nwls.com >> > >> >And I suppose you want a user interface with >> >that..... >> >----------------------------------------------- >> >-- >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > ----------------------------------------------- Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> NW Labor Systems, Inc http://www.nwls.com And I suppose you want a user interface with that..... ----------------------------------------------- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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