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Either I'm high while reading this thread (an impossibility, and I've
got the drug tests WEEKLY to prove it) or you're the one mis-reading. I
did in fact get the impression that the doubles in question were
manifolded, and that the gas management rule was quite absurd. The point
being made (as I read it) was that the rule was very similar to that
used with independant doubles (and just as unsafe.)
While you are correct that these guys have been doing some of this
diving much longer than most on this list, the logic does not follow
through. How many Oz Navy divers (or any Navy, SAR, or professional
teams with large budgets) have you seen 18,000 feet back in a cave
lately?
The fact is, most governmentally funded agencies are very slow to change
techniques and technologies. I don't know exactly why this is. Another
fact, however, is that civilian divers are much more accepting of new
technologies and methods, since they are not governed by many of the
rules that gov't operations must follow.
I personally HAVE tried mounting my doubles upside down. Plain simple
fact: after many hours of experimenting and re-configuring, IT JUST
DIDN'T WORK!!! I don't care that other, more professional groups do it
this way. For the diving that I do, upside down cylinders is WRONG!
-Case E. Harris
diveman@cy*.co*
ps: I am a firm believer that there is more than one way to do it
"right." I personally dive a configuration similar to DIR, but most DIR
divers would not dive with me in my current rig. For me, rigging is an
evolution, where change is brought about by experience. I've experienced
gear in the fasion mentioned, and the risks and problems far outweigh
the benefits (what were they again???)
Christian Gerzner wrote:
>
> On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:01:02 -0500, Bill Wolk wrote:
> (big snips)
>
> > With that ludicrous gas management plan for independent doubles, we know
> > this must be the Royal Navy's recruiting pitch....wait...no...I got it
> > assbackwards...it's "If you can scratch your buddy's butt, you can be in
> > the Royal Navy."
>
> Strike,
>
> You wanna reply to this or shall I? Me? OK.
>
> 1) Independent doubles? What independent doubles? Never have been and in fact
> couldn't be. They couldn't manage the gas in that fashion with independents.
>
> 2) I wrote:
>
> > As a partial defense of this method of diving and the lack of SPG's, I
believe
> > that there are quite a few professional diving units who use this method,
> > including the NSW (a State in Oz) Police Diving Unit for one.
> >
> > The reason is that they often (mostly?) dive in such crud that they
wouldn't be
> > able to see their SPG's anyway. Therefore, decanting their bottles in this
> > fashion is, I would think, the only form of gas management available to
them.
> >
> Did you read this? Maybe you didn't understand it just like you didn't
> understand that the doubles are indeed manifolded.
>
> The Royal Navy as well as any number of other professional diving teams have
> been doing it a damn sight longer than you, or I, or anyone else on this list,
> except that they do it in the most extreme conditions and they have no choice
> about it. You and I have that choice.
>
> Sure they can learn, we all can, but belittling them in the way you have is
> ignorant, stupid, petty and mean spirited. These are the kinds of people who
> fish up the bodies, look for the evidence and lord knows what else.
>
> Christian
>
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