Hello!  Excellant point.  They came to us for help, but then told us how we
would have to do it.  To this George answered thanks, but no thanks. 
Contrast this to the upcoming project the WKPP will be helping out with in
Mexico where the guys said "hey, we need your help.  What is the best way
to do this?"

Also, it is interesting to note, that a bunch of the W2 divers are really
great guys and came to the US hoping to get a chance to dive and learn from
the best divers in Florida.  The have privately been talking to the WKPP
guys and actually seem quite receptive to many of our ideas.  Several have
expressed a desire to dive with us in the future.

In short, if not for the horrific ego of Bill Stone, a guy who according to
his own divers really knows very little about cave diving, this could
possibly have been a very successful joint venture.  If he did not have 13
years of RB development costs to recoup, maybe he would have been more
flexible.

Trout

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> From: Bruce Stewart <bruce@tr*.co*>
> To: Rick Fincher <rnf@sp*.tb*.co*>
> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*
> Subject: Re: Nobel prize winner dies at Wakulla
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 1:35 PM
> 
> Rick,
> 
> What would be interesting to know is did anyone from Wak2 ever call
> anyone at WKPP for advice????
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Rick Fincher wrote:
> 
> > >
> > > yes Rick, this death is our fault... <snip>
> >
> > No Trout, it's not your fault. Never said it was. But this unproductive
pissing
> > match you guys have going is not helping anybody.
> >
> > Let me give you two possible courses of action that you could have
taken when
> > you found out about Wak 2.
> >
> > 1. You could have said, "Hey guys we've been diving here for a long
time and any
> > info you need in planning like, finding out about existing lines,
existing maps
> > etc. we'll be happy to help out. We've also got a killer scooter design
if you
> > guys want to try it."
> >
> > 2. If you saw that they were screwed up you could have backed off and
let them
> > do it their way without comment. The end results would have showed the
truth.
> >
> > If you guys really believe in doing this for scientific reasons then it
would be
> > a cooperative effort, not the ego contest and turf battle it has
degenerated
> > into.
> >
> > You guys do some really great diving and have developed some really
great
> > techniques that have helped the whole sport.
> >
> > Why taint that legacy by appearing to be the guy standing there with a
bloody
> > knife in your hand after backstabbing these other guys and saying, "See
I told
> > you they couldn't do it".
> >
> > You'd be better off to be able to say when all was said and done, "We
tried to
> > give them a helping hand but they still couldn't pull it off".
> >
> > I could respect that. I can't respect they way you guys have behaved to
date.
> >
> > Rick
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