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From: "Jesse Armantrout" <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
To: "Rick Fincher" <rnf@sp*.tb*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Nobel prize winner dies at Wakulla
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:21:05 -0600
Again, another bystander without all of the facts choses to tell the wkpp
what they have done wrong.

Rick, did you know that there was a meeting about 4 years ago in which the
wkpp and the usdct tried to get together on the W2 project?  Stone was
completely unwilling to yield on some of our most basic safety procedures,
among them the use of safety bottles.  I am not at liberty to discuss some
of the other events of that meeting, but I can assure you it became very
obvious that a cooperative effort was impossible.

Furthermore, all of our techniques are readily available to the general
public.  They ARE using our map. Matt Mathes, at DEMA this year commented
"your stick map is amazingly accurate."  As for the scooter, George offered
to sell Stone as many scooters as he needed.  Stone would only agree to buy
one.  Why do you think that is?  Could it be he planned to reverse engineer
it, draw up a set of blueprints and then reproduce them?  No, surely not.

Let me ask you a question.  As you mentioned, techniques developed by the
WKPP are adopted by divers all of the world.  When this is all over, how
many of the usdct's techniques will be adopted by the general diving
public?

Therein lies the difference between the two groups.

Trout
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> From: Rick Fincher <rnf@sp*.tb*.co*>
> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com; armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*
> Subject: Re: Nobel prize winner dies at Wakulla
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 11:24 AM
> 
> 
> > 
> > yes Rick, this death is our fault... <snip>
> 
> No Trout, it's not your fault. Never said it was. But this unproductive
pissing 
> match you guys have going is not helping anybody.
> 
> Let me give you two possible courses of action that you could have taken
when 
> you found out about Wak 2.
> 
> 1. You could have said, "Hey guys we've been diving here for a long time
and any 
> info you need in planning like, finding out about existing lines,
existing maps 
> etc. we'll be happy to help out. We've also got a killer scooter design
if you 
> guys want to try it."
> 
> 2. If you saw that they were screwed up you could have backed off and let
them 
> do it their way without comment. The end results would have showed the
truth.
> 
> If you guys really believe in doing this for scientific reasons then it
would be 
> a cooperative effort, not the ego contest and turf battle it has
degenerated 
> into.
> 
> You guys do some really great diving and have developed some really great

> techniques that have helped the whole sport.
> 
> Why taint that legacy by appearing to be the guy standing there with a
bloody 
> knife in your hand after backstabbing these other guys and saying, "See I
told 
> you they couldn't do it".
> 
> You'd be better off to be able to say when all was said and done, "We
tried to 
> give them a helping hand but they still couldn't pull it off".
> 
> I could respect that. I can't respect they way you guys have behaved to
date.
> 
> 
> Rick
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