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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:23:06 -0500
From: KVI <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: DIR
To: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>
CC: rebreather@nw*.co*, cavers@ca*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com,
     "\"Jess Armantrout\"" ,
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     "\"John R. Rose\"" ,
     "\"J. Scott Landon (409) 886-9587\""
Subject: Re: Rebreather Deception ?
Bill, they are lying - plain and simple. It does not take 20 minutes to
get down to 200 feet each time, and the trip to D takes 9 minutes from
the dropoff. It is 800 more feet to the end of the D Tunnel line.

Wait until these bozos try B or A - we will see some serious attempts at
lying then, but they can not get the profiles past us - we know the cave
too well.

The only time we will get the truth is when we have to go ater the
bodies.

This is s World Class Cluster.


Bill Mee wrote:
> 
> Rebreather Deception ?:
> 
> Along with everyone else in the WKPP I have followed closely the progress,
> or lack of progress, of the Wakulla II project. I have directed especial
> scrutiny to the download logs of the Mk 5 rebreathers and am now quite
> convinced that these logs may be grossly misrepresentative of the dives
> performed if not an outright deception.
> 
> After the publication of the first download log of the initial D tunnel
> exploration I became very suspicious of the bottom time calculations and
> publicly questioned this issue. The latest expanded inwater Time-Depth
> profile of the D tunnel dive
> (http://www.wakulla2.org/Updates/dec26_graphs.htm) further adds to my
> incredulity.
> 
>   You will note that nearly 35 minutes elapse between the 200ft first stage
> drop and the D-Tunnel. This constitutes a linear velocity of about 50 feet
> per minute. One can swim faster than this. Even the slowest scooter is at
> least 150 feet per minute. We would typically round trip the run to the 3500
> stage drop in slightly over 35 – 40 minutes.  I do not make this claim
> frivolously as collectively as a team the WKPP has logged hundreds of man
> dives to this point in the cave and beyond and we know that these times are
> impossible.  In the hundreds of man dives completed by the WKPP there never
> once was such a bottom time experienced in transiting to or from the
> D-tunnel.  Any of my colleagues can confirm this salient fact.
> 
> You will also note that the symmetry in the profile occurs at 50 minutes and
> if you believe the record it is taking nearly 60 minutes to get back to the
> 200ft drop.  This alone is totally preposterous and represents a travel rate
> which is slower than swimming. Sheck Exley had to swim out of the D Tunnel
> after a CF in the breakdown room in 1987 and swum out in fraction of this
> time.
> 
> Even more strange is the consistent 12 –15 minute time to the 200ft stage
> drop.  This is the point at which the WKPP considers the start of the dive.
> At most this time never exceeded 6 minutes and was usually four to 5 minutes
> from the surface. There are perhaps thousands of man dives accomplished to
> this point by gas divers and setup divers and any of these people will
> confirm this fact.
> 
> At first I questioned whether the depths were recording correctly and
> whether the divers had actually reached D Tunnel. I now believe they were at
> D-Tunnel but somebody altered the time scales of the MK-5 Time-Depth log to
> show double the actual time.  This is the only rational explanation. Why
> would somebody alter the time scale?
> 
> The real clincher, besides the wholly unbelievable time scales is the near
> total blowoff of any deep stops from 260 feet to the first stage drop at 200
> ft. This alone would cause the divers severe physiological consequences if
> the bottom times of the dive were as reported.
> 
> The only reason I can think of for this deception is that somebody wants to
> credit the MK-5 for more bottom time, under Wakulla type conditions, than it
> has actually performed.  If this in fact is true we have here a serious
> misrepresentation of the facts. Who can confirm the truth here? As you know
> most of the dive team members are sworn to secrecy and the surface support
> people only know what they are told.
> 
> What is going on?
> 
> Think about it folks.  If it routinely takes 10 minutes to make the
> roundtrip to the convenience store and you suddenly start taking 30 or more
> minutes to make this trip then it is only natural to suspect that something
> funny is going on during the trip. You better have a good alibi.
> 
> Bill


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