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Adriaan_Haine@ce*.be* wrote:
>
> George,
>
> If everything is as bad as it sounds from the postings from Mr. Bruic ,
> isn't there something that can be done to stop the Wak2 circus? Legally, I
> mean.
>
> Looks like these guys are wasting a lot of money for nothing. They have
> been in Wakulla for almost a month now, without anything except some pool
> diving and trying out all of their expensive toys. Nice if you have the
> chance but of no avail to anything except personal satisfaction. (Kids and
> toys stuff)
>
> Seems like a long build-up for ... yes, for what exactly? The first death
> or serious injury?
> Lets hope not. It would be bad for all divers, and in particular for the
> caving community over there in Fla., because most people will say: 'look
> how unsafe this (cave) diving is, can't we put a stop on it?' Thats all the
> efforts of everyone else down the drain in one second!.
>
> I don't know how high profile diving is over there, but over here, its like
> , whenever some diver dies, diving is " in the news", and all divers get
> the same questions from friends and family; like 'Why do you dive, can't
> you see it's dangerous, shouldn't you better stop, how much times have you
> been bent, etc..".
> And most people only remember the bad press, not the thousands of dives
> that are successful and go unnoticed for the press and the public opinion.
> Sad but true.
>
> I'm not into cave diving myself and I don't know any of the players
> involved except from what I've read in the mailing lists, but I think that
> this must be very frustrating for you guys, seeing all the effort the WKPP
> have put into this, and the splendid results you got, with a fraction of
> the time and the money it takes the WAK2 guys to even get one serious dive
> in .
>
> I hope it all ends well, or that someone will pull the plug on these guys
> because, lets face it, its either that or they have to come up with some
> results (which is very unlikely to happen , at the rate that they are doing
> things up till now, and at the rate that people (divers) are leaving Stone
> and Co.).
>
> I cannot understand why someone like Richard Pyle keeps backing up these
> guys. He has of course done a lot of diving with the CIS, but that is ocean
> diving, and cannot be compared to any overhead diving. Too bad, because he
> sounds like a very likeable and knowledgeable person. Hope he pulls out
> before his reputation gets a serious beating.
>
> A concerned diver
>
> Adri Haine
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Jess, the really amazing thing about this is that nobody has been killed
> ( completely ) yet. This is a good time to point out that these strokes
> have been there 26 days and have not been able to get to our first stage
> drop, have done no mapping, have aborted almost every dive, have done
> ridiculous deco for evey dive, and have done nothing but prove that they
> and the Cis Lunar are ill suited for cave diving, while lying about
> every single thing they put out.
> While I do not want to see anyone get killed, I am sick of hearing about
> the Heinerths claiming our exploration as theirs and running their big
> mouths. I want to see this fat little stroke take one of his deep air
> buddies like Kabook and go for it.
> There is no excuse why they can not do it - they have freebreathers,
> they have nickel metal batteries, they have a bell and chamber, they
> have clear water , and the line is already laid, and the map is on our
> webb site - a monkey could do it - just pull the trigger and breath. Go
> for it you hereoes, and show us how good you are.
> Jess Armantrout wrote:
> >
> > I was just told this is the same guy that almost died at Madison while
> > Rich was training these guys; the same guy Rich said he felt very
> > comfortable with. If this is true, and this guy bites it, I would go
> > back to school to get my law degree for a shot at this one.
> >
> > Bill, you gotta be kidding me. Are you guys that desperate for
> > divers?
> >
> > Bruic, good call on this one (bailing) before you get any more of this
> > mess on you.
> >
> > I can't wait for the book to come out after this "project" is over.
> >
> > Trout
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mike bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>
> > To: George Irvine <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > Cc: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; Bill Mee
> > <wwm@sa*.ne*>
> > Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 9:30 PM
> > Subject: Tales >From The Dark Side #4 (Not tonight honey,
> > I've got a headache)
> >
> > On a recent dive, our usdct hero, and "lead diver", Jason
> > once again tried to impress us all, and show us just how
> > stupid and brain dead he really is. While Stones favorite
> > "lab rat" (Jason) was scootering around the basin showing
> > everybody what a accomplished lead diver "he would like to
> > be", he suddenly started to develop a headache of
> > astronomical proportions, breathing got harder, and he got
> > dizzier than he already is. Why, it got to the point were
> > even this lab rat couldn't even handle it anymore, and he
> > had to surface.
> >
> > Heres a hint for you Jason, remember the little coconut
> > thing you've been trying to bust open on the metal
> > stairs???? It's really called a CO 2 scrubber!!! Try putting
> > "IT" in your rebreather next time (thats the big yellow
> > thing you put on your back). Until then, take two aspirin
> > for that CO 2 headache, and write your will.
> >
> > Stone, you can try to pass this one (1) incident off as
> > diver error, but this man has shown you repetitively that he
> > is out of his league. "You've" been exposed to this fact
> > numerous times, by me and many other divers on your team. It
> > has gotten to the point, were you can no longer use the
> > "diver error" bail out system in court. Stone, when this
> > clown kills himself, or somebody else at wak-me-two (your
> > little science project) you will be held liable yourself,
> > for the red flag has been waved in your face all to many
> > times.
> >
> > Tune in tomorrow for chapter #5 ("Help" I'm drowning, and I
> > can't get up).
> >
> > Mike Bruic
>
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