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From: <Adriaan_Haine@ce*.be*>
To: techdiver_COM@cem.be
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:47:14 +0100
Subject: Re: Techdivers arguments

CuteEve and Kee Karoo1 (are these guys/gals/things for real ??) seem to
forget that DIR is more
than just an equipment configuration. It is, in my opinion, a state of
mind, a whole set of rules geared
towards making (technical) diving as safe as it can be. Gear config is only
 a (albeit major) part of it.
Getting the right education , experience and self-discipline are all just
as important as the gear configuration.
And as far as the shoutings tantrums go, If you can't stand the heat....


rgrds

Adri Haine






Sender: CuteEve@ao*.co*  Date: 11/29/98 5:31 PM

>I asked Kee Karoo1 for the feelings on his neck of the woods about many
items
>from the "tech" world. From his personal response, I take the liberty of
>posting an excerpt from his message related to this newsgroup
>
>On Nov 25 Kee Karoo1 wrote :
><<<
><<members) monitored them for a while til we realized its complete
uselessness.
>They are a group of hyenas barking at unison against anyone else outside
>their
>clan. Intolerance at its apogee. Not only they are wrong in their claim to
>DIR, but their shouting tantrums and group-coordinated attacks on any
>divergent views remind us of those names in history who claimed to have
>absolute truth on their side and used that claim to trample on everyone
>else's
>right to make their own decision. One of the reasons I wear this uniform
>is to
>garantee every American their right to choose without coercion. I am
>definitely not going to bow to the hyenas.
>
>Our club does almost exclusively deep wrecks (over 150'), nobody even
comes
>close to their so-called hogarthian setup or DIR, and we have been
accident
>free  since our inception more than 20 years ago. Do we have discipline ?
>Yes.
>Do they have discipline? Yes. So, it might not be the gear configuration
>after
>all.
>I have seen many, many different configurations in many, many different
>places
>around the world doing similar and doing dis-similar tasks. The secret is
NOT
>the gear setup, nor its configuration. It's in the strict discipline. The
>hyenas have discipline, so do we, so do many others around the world;
whether
>Brazil, France or Belgium. Those who have it, will remain accident-free.
>Those
>who don't, their configuration will make little difference in their fate.
>
>Once in a while someone reads an argument in the NG and brings it to
>discussion at our meeting. We look for weaknesses and strengths of a
>particular claim and each person decides on their own whether it is viable

>for
>them. When we dive, we agree on a configuration for the entire group (it
>could
>be different for any particular dive) and then we all dive it as part of
the
>plan. >>>
>>>>
>Maybe it is the discipline what really makes the difference, not the gear
>configuration. All the barking is futile.  Opinions on other subjects have
>been posted in rec.scuba.
>QTV


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