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Subject: Re: Techdivers arguments
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:24:34 -0500
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: <CuteEve@ao*.co*>, "Tech Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Why don't you, "cuteeve" go back to rec.scuba and quit posting this 
garbage on techdiver. I have seen the close-mindedness and abject 
stupidity on rec.scuba, where a few fat-assed "tech-guru's" hold court 
and harass anybody who has a divergent point of view right off that forum.

I know because it's happened to me on several occasions. Lord help you if 
you don't follow the rec.scuba party-line of pony-bottles, independent 
doubles, stuffed hoses, pelican lights and other blatant, ignorant, 
backwards, el-cheapo stupidity.

You pack of bozo's over there go ahead and do your single-tank 150' 
bounce dives and get your narcosis ya-ya's all you want. As for you or 
that asshole "Kee Karoo1" why can't you stupid anonymous morons use your 
real names? Whats the matter, afraid of being proven wrong???

So why don't you and your ultra-stroke asshole buddies go fuck yourselves 
and unsubscribe, hmmmmm? before I give *you* the discipline you so sorely 
need...

    Jim



Sender: CuteEve@ao*.co*  Date: 11/29/98 5:31 PM

>I asked Kee Karoo1 for the feelings on his neck of the woods about many items
>from the "tech" world. From his personal response, I take the liberty of
>posting an excerpt from his message related to this newsgroup 
>
>On Nov 25 Kee Karoo1 wrote :
><<<
><<<As for the techdiver or cavers newsgroups, we (my unit and our club
>members) monitored them for a while til we realized its complete uselessness.
>They are a group of hyenas barking at unison against anyone else outside 
>their
>clan. Intolerance at its apogee. Not only they are wrong in their claim to
>DIR, but their shouting tantrums and group-coordinated attacks on any
>divergent views remind us of those names in history who claimed to have
>absolute truth on their side and used that claim to trample on everyone 
>else's
>right to make their own decision. One of the reasons I wear this uniform 
>is to
>garantee every American their right to choose without coercion. I am
>definitely not going to bow to the hyenas. 
>
>Our club does almost exclusively deep wrecks (over 150'), nobody even comes
>close to their so-called hogarthian setup or DIR, and we have been accident
>free  since our inception more than 20 years ago. Do we have discipline ?
>Yes. 
>Do they have discipline? Yes. So, it might not be the gear configuration 
>after
>all.
>I have seen many, many different configurations in many, many different 
>places
>around the world doing similar and doing dis-similar tasks. The secret is NOT
>the gear setup, nor its configuration. It's in the strict discipline. The
>hyenas have discipline, so do we, so do many others around the world; whether
>Brazil, France or Belgium. Those who have it, will remain accident-free. 
>Those
>who don't, their configuration will make little difference in their fate. 
>
>Once in a while someone reads an argument in the NG and brings it to
>discussion at our meeting. We look for weaknesses and strengths of a
>particular claim and each person decides on their own whether it is viable 
>for
>them. When we dive, we agree on a configuration for the entire group (it 
>could
>be different for any particular dive) and then we all dive it as part of the
>plan. >>>
>>>>
>Maybe it is the discipline what really makes the difference, not the gear
>configuration. All the barking is futile.  Opinions on other subjects have
>been posted in rec.scuba.
>QTV
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