Robert, no matter how many dives Mount says he has , or how many of you
he tries to lord it over, the fact is he has ever done one dive in his
entire life of the magnitude I do as routine, knows nothing about this
kind of diving, knows absolutely nothing about the gear that is used for
it, the gasses, the methods, the teamwork, the actual diving , scooters,
lights, thermal, decomprssion, planning, execution , risk or anything
else relative to it or in any comparison to me or any of my dive
partners. PERIOD. 

You on the other hand have learned more in your time with us than thes
so called "experts" seem to know.

I am glad to see Stark plays no grudges when it comes to saying what he
believes is correct, and when it comes to the dead nuts obvious of
practical diving, Stark obviously zeroes right in on it. Maybe he was
not privy to the information we now have on some aspects of physiology,
and that is the only reason he was on the wrong side of the oxygen
thing, and maybe he is not privy to the Navy's extensive testing on
oxygen sensors. If that is the case, and it appears to be by the fact
that he has no trouble identifying the correct logic for what we do,
then I owe him an apology for my comments.

Since I am not the leat bit interested in what makes a better ccr, as
they are not the tool of choice for what we do ( or anything elsre in my
opinion), only the logic of the operation is important to me, and this
important aspect has escaped Mount and others, but not Stark.

RMC wrote:
> 
> Tom you are the one yelling and being a "mine is bigger than yours" asshole.
> What is up man.
> 
> I am simplying pointing out to the crowd that you beleive to know what is
> going on with SCOOTER's and obviously do not. People consider you an
> authority on most everything in diving and those that do not understand
> scootering may assume you are equally well versed in that capacity. I
> consider you the senior authority in tech diving (training not exploration)
> as well and this only adds insult to injury when you give extremely bad
> advice.
> 
> I can assure (as well as the rest of the team that has consistently
> empowered this tool for years of successfull exploration- see www.WKPP.org
> if you forgot) them you are dead wrong on scooters. I have far more time
> than you on current scooter technology and felt it important to point that
> out. If you where not so fixed on pissing in the WKPP's shoes maybe you
> could discriminate between good and bad technology and choosing the correct
> tools for the job. Walter pointed out the problem early on, you did not
> blast him, but me. Gee he is not part of the WKPP is he, what a surprise.
> 
> You know so little about the only scooter that cosnistently gets the job
> done that you did not know we adjust our speed on every dive, without
> failure prone electronics. How did you teach that course last year without
> noticing the 9 speed pitch settings? KISS?
> 
> Please leave your resentfull attitude out of these coversations. I know you
> have a shit load more dives than I do. I only started 18 years ago and am
> close to half your age (36), the difference in number dives would be
> obvious, plus I do not count pool dives.
> 
> I am really concerned when you argue something you clearly do not have
> superior expereince with, this is not a pissing match Tom, it is about you
> mistaken a couple of scooter dives a year for comparison to my personal
> couple a week at various depths, durations, conditions and environments.
> Show up just once with a scooter (the very first time) and I will show you
> how to have fun. You will need to leave yours at home , you can use one of
> my four Gavins. I have invited you to dive scooter with us numerous times,
> the offer always stands and is not a challenge, but a offering for you to
> see how it is really done so you may speak with the authority people expect
> of you.
> 
> Please regain your composure and prepare for a good DEEP AIR hammer session
> later this evening. I am sick of the accidents racking up and would like to
> see some future left for those of us whom plan to stay (and have invested
> heavily) in the industry for a while.
> 
> Note: None of the Soo Seng dives where within IANTD 170' deep air standards
> (NON-technical to start with) and yet you defend him and blast me.
> 
> RMC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> To: RMC <halcyon@ha*.ne*>; Walter Starck <wstarck@oz*.co*.au*>;
> Rebreather mail list <rebreather@nw*.co*>
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 10:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Wakulla II Project: The Bumbling continues
> 
> >Robert
> >On the AUL scooter several hundred to be exact total. This year I have been
> >stuck in the office more than usual so the hours are down as compared to
> >last few years. Only about 40 hours on it this year and it has never been
> in
> >a swimming pool. all the hours on it this year are cave dives. I have only
> >had it in the ocean about 5 times, as it is to heavier than I care to
> manage
> >in OW,
> >
> >How many total hours do you have on scooters? Would you like to compare
> >total scooter hours, How many cave dives do you have on scooters?
> >
> >Robert anyn time you wish to compare diving skills your welcome to do so. I
> >assure you I have more dives at depth deeper than a swimming pool longer
> >than than you have. In fact unlike you iuu rarely make any dive as short as
> >30 minutes. Even training dives, are over 30 minutes in OW and almost
> always
> >over an hour in cave courses. That is the one thing I'm known for in cave
> >courses is racking alot of bottom time for the students as I do believe and
> >have always believed and stated it is time in water that makes a diver.
> >
> >This started out as a simple statement that my AUL circuit board has had no
> >problems and now you wish to just get nasty, is that a requirement for
> being
> >a DIR diver or just your way of attempting to be a expert by yelling louder
> >and being nastier.
> >
> >
> >Respectfully yours,
> >Tom Mount
> >CEO IANTD World HQ
> >http://www.iantd.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: RMC <halcyon@ha*.ne*>
> >To: Walter Starck <wstarck@oz*.co*.au*>; Rebreather mail list
> ><rebreather@nw*.co*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> >Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 8:06 AM
> >Subject: Re: Wakulla II Project: The Bumbling continues
> >
> >
> >>Tom,
> >>
> >>How may dives do you have on it (the new VSC unit) this year (or in your
> >>dive history for that matter) outside of your pool that lasted more than
> 30
> >>minutes at depth?
> >>
> >>How many total hours this year do you have on it?
> >>
> >>RMC
> >>
> >>>
> >>>I did not describe anything I simply stated the variable control on my
> AUL
> >>>scooter has never failed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Respectfully yours,
> >>>Tom Mount
> >>>CEO IANTD World HQ
> >>>http://www.iantd.com
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: RMC <halcyon@ha*.ne*>
> >>>To: Rebreather mail list <rebreather@nw*.co*>; Walter Starck
> >>><wstarck@oz*.co*.au*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> >>>Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 8:59 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: Wakulla II Project: The Bumbling continues
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Tom,
> >>>>
> >>>>I did not know you owned a (working) scooter.
> >>>>
> >>>>I use a variable speed control scooter every week.
> >>>>
> >>>>We control ours mechanically (electronics and water do not mix) with
> nine
> >>>>pitch settings. These are the same as the ones you used last year for
> >your
> >>>>DPV course. The same ones we use on all of our projects, survey's and
> >body
> >>>>recoveries.
> >>>>
> >>>>Walter explained it well enough.
> >>>>
> >>>>I also own a long version of the old Farrallon with that bullshit on it
> >>and
> >>>>it failed both times I took it to Bimini several years ago. I have all
> >the
> >>>>parts in a box if you want them.
> >>>>
> >>>>If anyone wants sccoter advice, I would suggest talking to the team that
> >>>>actually dives scooters in demanding environments successfully every
> >time.
> >>>>This is not a guess or a mystery of any sort for the WKPP.
> >>>>
> >>>>If the non-sense you describe was better Tom, we would be using it.
> >>>>
> >>>>RMC
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> >>>>To: Walter Starck <wstarck@oz*.co*.au*>; RMC
> <brownies@ne*.ne*>;
> >>>>Rebreather mail list <rebreather@nw*.co*>
> >>>>Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 12:07 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: Wakulla II Project: The Bumbling continues
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Robert
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On my AUL DPV. I have not yet had a failure of the variable speed
> >>control,
> >>>>I
> >>>>>truly enjoy the luxury of this speed control and the ability to match
> my
> >>>>>speed to my diving buddy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Have you ever used scooters with variable speed control
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Respectfully yours,
> >>>>>Tom Mount
> >>>>>CEO IANTD World HQ
> >>>>>http://www.iantd.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: Walter Starck <wstarck@oz*.co*.au*>
> >>>>>To: RMC <brownies@ne*.ne*>; Rebreather mail list
> >>>>><rebreather@nw*.co*>
> >>>>>Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 7:42 PM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: Wakulla II Project: The Bumbling continues
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>RMC wrote:
> >>>>>>>Could we have your professional (RB diver/engineer) opinion on diving
> >>an
> >>>>>>>electronic RB at 300 feet for 6-12 hours without OC bailout relying
> >>>>solely
> >>>>>>>on a second RB that has been riding idle (fluctuating temp, pressure,
> >>>>>>>humidity, etc. w/o monitoring) and is either attached to your back or
> >>>>your
> >>>>>>>buddies (if he is around) space shuttle?
> >>>>>>>BTW. Richie admitted the "cat free of bag" advanced his explanation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I agree with you guys on this one and I also agree on the business of
> >>the
> >>>>>>complicated speed control circuit on the scooters.  Electronic speed
> >>>>>>controllers for DC motors are prone to failure even on the surface.
> >>>>>>Variable pitch or even a two speed motor is much more reliable and
> >quite
> >>>>>>sufficient.  A catalytic converter can easily and reliably eliminate
> >the
> >>>>>>hydrogen problem.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Beyond all the pros and cons of DIR however is the real issue of why
> do
> >>>it
> >>>>>>at all.  Deep cave penetration no matter how it is done is highly
> >risky,
> >>>>it
> >>>>>>isn't much as an esthetic experience, and yields little of conceptual
> >>>>>value.
> >>>>>>If we are honest about it we have to admit the risk is the real
> >>>>attraction.
> >>>>>>This being the case, the riskier the better.  The WKPP going on about
> >>how
> >>>>>>dangerous the USCDT is, is a bit like a junkie criticizing a speed
> >>freak.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>As for Rich being anxious to get out a truthful account of the
> training
> >>>>>>incident, this is particularly understandable in view of the animosity
> >>of
> >>>>>>the WKPP and their track record of distortion.  It in no way suggests
> >he
> >>>>>>would have otherwise not reported it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Walter Starck
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >


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