Tom you are the one yelling and being a "mine is bigger than yours" asshole.
What is up man.

I am simplying pointing out to the crowd that you beleive to know what is
going on with SCOOTER's and obviously do not. People consider you an
authority on most everything in diving and those that do not understand
scootering may assume you are equally well versed in that capacity. I
consider you the senior authority in tech diving (training not exploration)
as well and this only adds insult to injury when you give extremely bad
advice.

I can assure (as well as the rest of the team that has consistently
empowered this tool for years of successfull exploration- see www.WKPP.org
if you forgot) them you are dead wrong on scooters. I have far more time
than you on current scooter technology and felt it important to point that
out. If you where not so fixed on pissing in the WKPP's shoes maybe you
could discriminate between good and bad technology and choosing the correct
tools for the job. Walter pointed out the problem early on, you did not
blast him, but me. Gee he is not part of the WKPP is he, what a surprise.

You know so little about the only scooter that cosnistently gets the job
done that you did not know we adjust our speed on every dive, without
failure prone electronics. How did you teach that course last year without
noticing the 9 speed pitch settings? KISS?

Please leave your resentfull attitude out of these coversations. I know you
have a shit load more dives than I do. I only started 18 years ago and am
close to half your age (36), the difference in number dives would be
obvious, plus I do not count pool dives.

I am really concerned when you argue something you clearly do not have
superior expereince with, this is not a pissing match Tom, it is about you
mistaken a couple of scooter dives a year for comparison to my personal
couple a week at various depths, durations, conditions and environments.
Show up just once with a scooter (the very first time) and I will show you
how to have fun. You will need to leave yours at home , you can use one of
my four Gavins. I have invited you to dive scooter with us numerous times,
the offer always stands and is not a challenge, but a offering for you to
see how it is really done so you may speak with the authority people expect
of you.

Please regain your composure and prepare for a good DEEP AIR hammer session
later this evening. I am sick of the accidents racking up and would like to
see some future left for those of us whom plan to stay (and have invested
heavily) in the industry for a while.

Note: None of the Soo Seng dives where within IANTD 170' deep air standards
(NON-technical to start with) and yet you defend him and blast me.

RMC

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
To: RMC <halcyon@ha*.ne*>; Walter Starck <wstarck@oz*.co*.au*>;
Rebreather mail list <rebreather@nw*.co*>
Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Wakulla II Project: The Bumbling continues


>Robert
>On the AUL scooter several hundred to be exact total. This year I have been
>stuck in the office more than usual so the hours are down as compared to
>last few years. Only about 40 hours on it this year and it has never been
in
>a swimming pool. all the hours on it this year are cave dives. I have only
>had it in the ocean about 5 times, as it is to heavier than I care to
manage
>in OW,
>
>How many total hours do you have on scooters? Would you like to compare
>total scooter hours, How many cave dives do you have on scooters?
>
>Robert anyn time you wish to compare diving skills your welcome to do so. I
>assure you I have more dives at depth deeper than a swimming pool longer
>than than you have. In fact unlike you iuu rarely make any dive as short as
>30 minutes. Even training dives, are over 30 minutes in OW and almost
always
>over an hour in cave courses. That is the one thing I'm known for in cave
>courses is racking alot of bottom time for the students as I do believe and
>have always believed and stated it is time in water that makes a diver.
>
>This started out as a simple statement that my AUL circuit board has had no
>problems and now you wish to just get nasty, is that a requirement for
being
>a DIR diver or just your way of attempting to be a expert by yelling louder
>and being nastier.
>
>
>Respectfully yours,
>Tom Mount
>CEO IANTD World HQ
>http://www.iantd.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: RMC <halcyon@ha*.ne*>
>To: Walter Starck <wstarck@oz*.co*.au*>; Rebreather mail list
><rebreather@nw*.co*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
>Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 8:06 AM
>Subject: Re: Wakulla II Project: The Bumbling continues
>
>
>>Tom,
>>
>>How may dives do you have on it (the new VSC unit) this year (or in your
>>dive history for that matter) outside of your pool that lasted more than
30
>>minutes at depth?
>>
>>How many total hours this year do you have on it?
>>
>>RMC
>>
>>>
>>>I did not describe anything I simply stated the variable control on my
AUL
>>>scooter has never failed.
>>>
>>>
>>>Respectfully yours,
>>>Tom Mount
>>>CEO IANTD World HQ
>>>http://www.iantd.com
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: RMC <halcyon@ha*.ne*>
>>>To: Rebreather mail list <rebreather@nw*.co*>; Walter Starck
>>><wstarck@oz*.co*.au*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
>>>Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 8:59 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Wakulla II Project: The Bumbling continues
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tom,
>>>>
>>>>I did not know you owned a (working) scooter.
>>>>
>>>>I use a variable speed control scooter every week.
>>>>
>>>>We control ours mechanically (electronics and water do not mix) with
nine
>>>>pitch settings. These are the same as the ones you used last year for
>your
>>>>DPV course. The same ones we use on all of our projects, survey's and
>body
>>>>recoveries.
>>>>
>>>>Walter explained it well enough.
>>>>
>>>>I also own a long version of the old Farrallon with that bullshit on it
>>and
>>>>it failed both times I took it to Bimini several years ago. I have all
>the
>>>>parts in a box if you want them.
>>>>
>>>>If anyone wants sccoter advice, I would suggest talking to the team that
>>>>actually dives scooters in demanding environments successfully every
>time.
>>>>This is not a guess or a mystery of any sort for the WKPP.
>>>>
>>>>If the non-sense you describe was better Tom, we would be using it.
>>>>
>>>>RMC
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
>>>>To: Walter Starck <wstarck@oz*.co*.au*>; RMC
<brownies@ne*.ne*>;
>>>>Rebreather mail list <rebreather@nw*.co*>
>>>>Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 12:07 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: Wakulla II Project: The Bumbling continues
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>On my AUL DPV. I have not yet had a failure of the variable speed
>>control,
>>>>I
>>>>>truly enjoy the luxury of this speed control and the ability to match
my
>>>>>speed to my diving buddy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Have you ever used scooters with variable speed control
>>>>>
>>>>>Respectfully yours,
>>>>>Tom Mount
>>>>>CEO IANTD World HQ
>>>>>http://www.iantd.com
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Walter Starck <wstarck@oz*.co*.au*>
>>>>>To: RMC <brownies@ne*.ne*>; Rebreather mail list
>>>>><rebreather@nw*.co*>
>>>>>Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 7:42 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Wakulla II Project: The Bumbling continues
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>RMC wrote:
>>>>>>>Could we have your professional (RB diver/engineer) opinion on diving
>>an
>>>>>>>electronic RB at 300 feet for 6-12 hours without OC bailout relying
>>>>solely
>>>>>>>on a second RB that has been riding idle (fluctuating temp, pressure,
>>>>>>>humidity, etc. w/o monitoring) and is either attached to your back or
>>>>your
>>>>>>>buddies (if he is around) space shuttle?
>>>>>>>BTW. Richie admitted the "cat free of bag" advanced his explanation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I agree with you guys on this one and I also agree on the business of
>>the
>>>>>>complicated speed control circuit on the scooters.  Electronic speed
>>>>>>controllers for DC motors are prone to failure even on the surface.
>>>>>>Variable pitch or even a two speed motor is much more reliable and
>quite
>>>>>>sufficient.  A catalytic converter can easily and reliably eliminate
>the
>>>>>>hydrogen problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Beyond all the pros and cons of DIR however is the real issue of why
do
>>>it
>>>>>>at all.  Deep cave penetration no matter how it is done is highly
>risky,
>>>>it
>>>>>>isn't much as an esthetic experience, and yields little of conceptual
>>>>>value.
>>>>>>If we are honest about it we have to admit the risk is the real
>>>>attraction.
>>>>>>This being the case, the riskier the better.  The WKPP going on about
>>how
>>>>>>dangerous the USCDT is, is a bit like a junkie criticizing a speed
>>freak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As for Rich being anxious to get out a truthful account of the
training
>>>>>>incident, this is particularly understandable in view of the animosity
>>of
>>>>>>the WKPP and their track record of distortion.  It in no way suggests
>he
>>>>>>would have otherwise not reported it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Walter Starck
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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