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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:43:58 -0400
From: KVI <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: DIR
To: Randy Bohrer <underwaterapplications@cs*.co*>
CC: Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: re six years today
Randy, glad to hear this.

Randy Bohrer wrote:
> 
> KVI:
> 
> I hope you're not including me in this group of morons that go along with
> stupidity, or someone who practices convoluted stupidity, etc. You know that
> I still consider myself a student, and that I am always looking for ways to
> improve. I don't teach nitrox to 170, and certainly not air to 190. Perhaps
> I should change my couse literature to make that more clear (I currently
> quote standards in the individual course descriptions, but brag about using
> a true trimix in the trimix course with a 130 EAD).
> 
> Raising the price of my courses and decreasing the number of students I take
> at a time was the best thing I've ever done. I get students who want to buy
> the right equipment, want to do the dives, and want to learn the material.
> I'm still not totally happy with the quality of my courses, and continue to
> try to improve.
> 
> I'm not sure that the "bullshit" instruction can be stopped. There are
> always instructors who will cut corners to offer a quicker cheaper course,
> and there are always customers who want to buy a c-card and will whine about
> the cost and time commitment of even the worst courses. One thing that will
> help stop the bs instruction is to enforce the standards. The three main
> technical agencies all have a qa program that involves reviewing
> questionaires sent to students randomly, but apparently none have turned up
> any problems. However, I have seen course literature that is in obvious
> violation of standards, and continue to hear stories about half-assed
> courses.
> 
> Stupid or not, senseless or not, irresponsible or not, the I will remember
> the deaths of Chris Rouse and Chris Rouse Jr as one of the worst diving
> accidents I've known of. They will continue to be missed by all who knew
> them.
> 
> Sincerely,
> C. Randy Bohrer, President
> Underwater Applications Corp
> 15 Brewster Rd
> Framingham, MA 01702
> tel:  508-628-9520
> fax: 508-820-3337
> http://www.geocities.com/~uwapplications
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kirvine@sa*.ne* [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*]
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 5:54 AM
> To: underwaterapplications@cs*.co*
> Cc: cavers@ca*.co*; techdiver
> Subject: re six years today
> 
> Randy, congrats on the no name child - sounds like the 1974 Dolphins
> defensive backfield.
> 
>   While there we learn more from Gagne's life than from his death, we
> learn more from the Rouses' death . When ever you mention them, you need
> to remind everyone that they died deep air diving, the kind of crap that
> you dive instructors continue to teach, and the kind of crap that the
> strokes continue to preach.
> 
>   We will see if you let the unnamed one dive deep air. My kids quit
> diving due to the high accident rate of the rest of you out there.
> 
>   It is also a good time to remind everyone that Rouse senior was heard
> to say , "I will probably regret doing this dive" due to adverse
> conditions prior to the dive ( failed to exercise Option Number One ),
> that the younger one used all of his air up in the sub, and that they
> both shot to the surface, killing the one on the spot, and the other in
> the chamber, a real fine scene.
> 
>   While we hear excuse after excuse for the current accidents and while
> it is true that some of the real deep air idiots in diving have been
> totally discredited, the rest of you conintue to practice convoluted
> stupidty and inconsistent standards on the edge of outright insanity
> that will guarantee an ongoing accident bonanza.
> 
>   Randy, when your kid gets old enough, will you  be able to coherently
> explain to him how you were teaching nitrox to 170, air to 190, but
> trimix with a 130 AED? If you , Mount, or any of the other "instructors"
> out there can reconcile this stupidity , I will kiss all of your asses.
> 
>   Time for some reflection now - all of you who teach for these agencies
> are morons for going along with this. All of you who whine about the
> deaths need to learn how to do things properly, and enforce what goes on
> around you. I won't get on a boat where bullshit is going on, and the
> sooner the rest of you do just that, the sooner that bullshit insruction
> stops, and the sooner the accidents stop.
> 
>   Cave diving is even worse - luckily there are very few caves for
> strokes to dive, and no deep ones, ohter than the current death window
> in Wakulla that will soon be permantently slammed shut.


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