Humm, sounds contrary to what someone else does after a long deco
dive....

Art.

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Sean T. Stevenson [SMTP:ststev@un*.co*]
	Sent:	Friday, October 09, 1998 6:51 PM
	To:	Paltz, Art; Tech Diver
	Subject:	RE: Tech meeting

	Art, whether or not you are physically capable of climbing a
ladder in
	full gear with stages is not the issue.  You should get help
with
	doffing your gear and minimize your exertion after a dive, as to
do
	something like what you describe significantly increases your
risk of a
	DCS hit, especially after any sort of long exposure.  

	-Sean


	On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:14:22 -0400, Paltz, Art wrote:

	>Sorry Jim, I have to comment here.  You're starting to sound
like George
	>and crew.  If all you're going to do is spout off WKPP
propaganda then
	>why don't you save your people some time and just get them
email
	>addresses so they can join in here!  Now that that's off my
chest I'll
	>apologize, you know I like you and we've had a few good private
email
	>conversations in the past.  I'm just sick and tired of the same
old
	>stuff on this list.  Please stick to the facts!
	>
	>My comment is on the Seeker statement.  When was the last time
you dived
	>the Seeker?  I can guarantee you I've dived on the Seeker more
than you
	>have.  In all that time I have NEVER seen a diver take off
their gear in
	>the water to get up the ladder.  Granted they run a lot of
trips and I'm
	>only on a small percentage.  I am on the boat every couple of
weeks
	>though.  Once I saw a slightly panicked, obviously stressed
diver take
	>off their fins to climb the ladder, still with gear on.  Now I
won't
	>debate the fact that the ladder could be better but still, are
you that
	>out of shape that you can't climb a vertical ladder with full
gear (yes
	>doubles)?  I'm certainly NOT in the best of shape and I
regularly climb
	>it with stages when I forget to drop an equipment line (that's
plural, 2
	>stages).  You can add an extra 5-10 pounds for the tool bag
too!  They
	>have a granny line starting at about 10-20 ft on the anchor
(weighted).
	>He'll, they'll even give you a tow to the bow if a current is
ripping or
	>you're just lazy.
	>
	>Not bashing your little tech group down there (I think it's
great) but
	>please get the facts straight before you post.....
	>
	>Art. 
	>PS I'm in no way affiliated with any dive boat!
	>
	>	-----Original Message-----
	>	From:	Jim Cobb [SMTP:cobber@ci*.co*]
	>	Sent:	Thursday, October 08, 1998 10:32 PM
	>	To:	Tech Diver
	>	Subject:	Tech meeting
	>
	>	The following is the report sent out to the vbtech
mailing list
	>outlining 
	>	what was talked about on our first monthly meeting. I
have not
	>heard of 
	>	any other divers having discussions like this outside of
clubs,
	>so I 
	>	thought it might be interesting for you all to see whats
up.
	>Some of the 
	>	discussion topics might be obvious and basic to some,
but it is
	>still 
	>	worth discussing and coming to some sort of consensus.
	>
	>	-------------------------------------------------
	>	On October 7th VBTech had its first meeting at Lynnhaven
Dive
	>Center in 
	>	Virginia Beach, Va.
	>	In this meeting the main topic of discussion was the
marking of
	>stage 
	>	tanks. Discussion opened up with some information about
some
	>recent tech 
	>	diving deaths in Florida and the Andrea Doria. A
comparison was
	>made to 
	>	various techniques of marking tanks ranging from nothing
to
	>marked 2nd 
	>	stages to DIR style MOD markings on the sides of the
tanks.
	>
	>	It was agreed that the DIR style was the best way to go,
using
	>the 
	>	techniques described on the WKPP website. While some
mentioned
	>that they 
	>	knew what they had in their stages, it was pointed out
that it
	>is 
	>	advantageous for other divers (other teams and safety
divers) to
	>be be 
	>	able to easily see what mix is being used. It was agreed
that
	>the 
	>	addition of "FT" to the MOD to clarify what measurement
system
	>was being 
	>	used and to remove any question that you are indicating
MOD and
	>not mix.
	>
	>	A discussion then ensued of how different dive boats are
	>configured. What 
	>	was particularly noted is the difference in rigging that
North
	>East 
	>	diveboats compared to Mid East. The example used was the
Seeker,
	>which 
	>	runs Doria trips, is configured so that you must doff
your gear
	>in the 
	>	water to make it up it's vertical ladder. Also it's lack
of a
	>deep granny 
	>	line and lead line which makes it a "leap of faith" to
get back
	>to the 
	>	hang lines (oh no hang bar either). It was not
understood why NE
	>boats 
	>	use such primitive techniques when it would be so simple
to
	>improve.
	>
	>	Also was discussed was a dive in a deep lake to do an
actual
	>test of a 
	>	set of OMS Stuperwings in deep conditions to determine
it's true
	>
	>	effectiveness and life capabilities in tech conditions.
	>
	>	A dive is being organized to the Chanango, a very
infrequently
	>dove wreck 
	>	near the eureka. The reason is that it is a "turtled"
wreck, but
	>it 
	>	should be pretty broken up by now as it was in the
process the
	>last time 
	>	it was dove about 4 years ago. The dive will cost $125
and
	>leaves Oct 
	>	16th on Friday night. There will be a night dive and
then 2 or 3
	>day 
	>	dives. Contact JT if you want to go.
	>
	>	The agenda for the next meeting will be:
	>
	>	- A demo of Decom, Abyss and Voyager
	>	- Discussion of why what mix is chosen for what depth
	>	- A demo of different whip setups
	>	- A demo of different 02 analyzers.
	>
	>	Bring your whips and 02 analyzers and lets compare rigs
and
	>techniques. 
	>	These meetings will be held on the first Wednesday of
each month
	>at the 
	>	Lynnhaven Dive Center in Virginia Beach, Va.
	>
	>	 Jim
	>
	>

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