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Jim, I don't have a problem with the DIR system; I've implemented many portions. I've re-done my rigging to the DIR harness, I dive with stage bottles on the left, I mark my bottles at the top with O2 percentage AND MOD in really big numbers, etc. I don't have a problem with it. It just sounded to me like you were becoming a bugle boy, that's all. I'm not being close minded or saying, "if it's DIR it's wrong!" Just sounded like you may have been saying, "if it's DIR it must be right". For all to know, I'm not saying DIR is wrong!! I do disagree with the statement that DIR works optimally everywhere. I don't want to get into a discussion about where DIR is optimal and where it isn't and why. If people want to read about this they can look in the archives, it's been beat to death! My comments on the ladder were only that I've never seen people needing to take off all their gear in the water to get up the ladder. I don't know if the reason for taking off their gear was because of long deco hangs? Personally I relax on the line and enjoy it. I've done 2 hours on the anchor line, which I'd think is comparable to a Doria hang. Never done the Doria so I don't know the profiles they were diving. I admitted that the ladder isn't optimal, said this before, I've been on better. I just think your post would have lead people to believe you MUST take off your equipment to get up the ladder and I was just illustrating that that wasn't the case. Safe diving, Art. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Cobb [SMTP:cobber@ci*.co*] Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 11:56 AM To: Paltz, Art; Tech Diver Subject: RE: Tech meeting Dear Art- When the folks in this meeting came from diverse diving backgrounds. The different styles of marking tanks was discussed and the DIR system made the most sense. If other techniques had made more sense, then that is what we would have decided on. The whole reason of these meetings is to compare various systems and see which one is most logical and workable. The majority of these people have never heard of GMI, DIR or any of the stuff that go's on on these lists. But they were open minded and intelligent and could see a good thing when presented to them. I am really sorry if this conclusion was made using logic and an open forum go's against your way of thinking or politics. I realize in your camp emotion and "we always did it like that" is how you select your gear. You can sit in your own little cloistered world and declare in your teeny, tiny, squeaky voice that "If it's DIR then it must be wrong!". You really need to take the blinders off and admit it when a better idea comes along. This is why we want to take an actual pair of OMS bondage wings down to 300' and see if they can raise 100lbs as advertised. If they can then we will publish that fact even if all I think OMS stuporwings are good for is lining pig pens. I suspect that you will have a problem with even if they pass the test just to be a pain-in-the-ass contrarian. There were several people who dove the Seeker on the Doria and they all agreed about the boats shortcomings. Not necessarily to change the way the Seeker does business, but rather to warn future customers of the primitive conditions which exist on one of the only boats which go's to the Doria. If you don't like it, that's tough shit, tough guy. The Seeker does it's thing the way it's done because "we've always done it that way". I mean, what can you say to that? Jim Sender: Paltz, Art Date: 10/9/98 1:13 PM >Sorry Jim, I have to comment here. You're starting to sound like George >and crew. If all you're going to do is spout off WKPP propaganda then >why don't you save your people some time and just get them email >addresses so they can join in here! Now that that's off my chest I'll >apologize, you know I like you and we've had a few good private email >conversations in the past. I'm just sick and tired of the same old >stuff on this list. Please stick to the facts! > >My comment is on the Seeker statement. When was the last time you dived >the Seeker? I can guarantee you I've dived on the Seeker more than you >have. In all that time I have NEVER seen a diver take off their gear in >the water to get up the ladder. Granted they run a lot of trips and I'm >only on a small percentage. I am on the boat every couple of weeks >though. Once I saw a slightly panicked, obviously stressed diver take >off their fins to climb the ladder, still with gear on. Now I won't >debate the fact that the ladder could be better but still, are you that >out of shape that you can't climb a vertical ladder with full gear (yes >doubles)? I'm certainly NOT in the best of shape and I regularly climb >it with stages when I forget to drop an equipment line (that's plural, 2 >stages). You can add an extra 5-10 pounds for the tool bag too! They >have a granny line starting at about 10-20 ft on the anchor (weighted). >He'll, they'll even give you a tow to the bow if a current is ripping or >you're just lazy. > >Not bashing your little tech group down there (I think it's great) but >please get the facts straight before you post..... > >Art. >PS I'm in no way affiliated with any dive boat! ------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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