Dan, as Terry suggests, but the other guy must have eliminated from my
post, I do use Leucine, Iso-leucine, and Valine before and after the
workout as anti-catabolics. As Terry suggests, maintaining the lean
muscle mass is the most important aspect, and the big problem with the
kind of sports that I practice is that they tend to "eat" the body ,
especially during the extremely long two hour sets of simming or
running. Terry is a world class strength athelete and martial arts
practitioner ( picture a middle linebacker who could play wide reciever
and you have Terry).

  One interesting thing that happens is that if you have not eaten
anything, you actualy release more GH, but it then uses your own body to
repair if it does not have the branched chains in place. One could also
use something like Hydro Fuel during a workout, but it makes me feel bad
and kills my "edge", so I go without. I have found that past 5,000
meters, I do need water, and at 10,000 I need "fuel". Some of the
swimmers have these little packets of some bannana mash type of
substance that they put in their suits and use when they feel they are
"nearing the wall". One on our team who just earned the right ( by
setting a world's record in the 100 meter freestyle) to go to the
Olympic Trials, uses this and does the glucose post workout. She is 31
years old.

The reason I continue to do the things that Terry recommends is the
unbelieveable results I am getting. To be able to work out twice daily
and do strength routines, distance work, and speed workouts all without
ever needing any ibuprophen or any days off, ever feeling sore, or ever
being broken down, there is something right going on.

Other guys on our team have found that by following just some of what I
do, they are able to workout without any consequences, and get in far
better condition than they thought possible. 

As with everything else that gets discussed on these lists, I have
already been there , done that and put my ass where everyone else puts
their mouth. Nothing ever changes, but our team keeps progressing.


Dan Volker wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry [mailto:terry@wo*.co*]
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 1998 5:27 PM
> To: 'Dan Volker'
> Subject: RE: antioxidants
> 
> Dan - The aminos that George is using are widely known in the supplement
> industry as GH stimulants - they have shown in some studies to be effective
> in increasing your growth hormone release naturally - I have seen research
> that states both side of this matter - and I feel some will respond to this
> better than others. The underlying thing here is that it can be beneficial
> and in no way could be detrimental - so it is worth a shot to everyone
> interested in increasing their condition. I would recommend the addition of
> BCAA's (branch chain amino acids) for the purpose of protecting against
> catabolic response or better know as muscle protein breakdown. George
> mentioned using Glutamine - I as you know am a strong supporter of this and
> would recommend the taking of a minimum of 4 grams of L-Glutamine a day by
> everyone - you witnessed first hand what this did for Sandra. There are
> other issues at play here besides the possibilty of GH release - mostly the
> protection of exsisting muscle fiber and the assistance in increasing lean
> muscle mass - this to me is as or more important than the possibilty of
> increased GH secretion. The more lean muscle mass - the higher the nitrogen
> retention - the more positive atmosphere for muscle growth as well as muscle
> that functions more productively. The more lean mass - the higher the
> metabolic rate - the less bodyfat retained or stored - that would mean more
> bodyfat stores being used as additional fuel and the rate of blood exchange
> would be better. This would result in improved muscle performance -
> increased cardiovascular condition thereby insuring a more advanced Vo2
> utilization. PH sounds more like a DH (dick head) and should probably keep
> his 30 year old research to himself and leave the real world training and
> nutritional advice to those that not only know - but do. I have a strong
> dislike for armchair nutritionists and trainers - meet me in the real world
> and let's see who knows his or her shit. Performance and results speak for
> themselves. However George and I may differ in our specific views on GH
> release and it's importance - I can give him worlds of knowledge on the
> other underlying attributes of doing what he is doing and also explain maybe
> in a more detailed manner what the Gh release may or may not be doing for
> his increased fitness level.
> Terry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rebreather-request@nw*.co*
> [mailto:rebreather-request@nw*.co*] On Behalf Of
> pbsmith@CC*.HA*.CO*
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 12:36 PM
> To: rebreather@nw*.co*
> Subject: Re: antioxidants
> 
> List,
> 
> Below is the response to the request for information on George Irvine's
> physical and chemical regimen for "Doing it Right."
> 
> PBS
> 
> ==========================================
> George Irvine wrote:
> 
> You will have to forward it to the list - not on at the moment. Sleep
> should be 8 hours. I get up at 2:00 for the round of aminos, and then
> again at 4:45 for real. The exercise is at least an hour in the morning,
> usually 90 minutes, 2 hours if we are getting close to doing something
> bigger or if I am going to be distance swimming. For the running, that
> is at night and is from 30 min to an hour. Swimming is to intense to do
> at night and still be able to sleep. In both cases, distance work
> sometimes, sometimes speed. Stength work is every five days, usually
> sprints and weightlifting - freeweights and Hammerstrength machines. For
> running and swimming substitutes, I use the Life Step machines .
> 
> The aminos in all cases are arginine, ornithine alphaketoglutarate,
> phosphatidyl choline and pantothenic acid ( really B-5) .Before and
> after workout add in leucine. After workout add glucose and fructose,
> chromium, and a good protein, like whey or egg. In all cases vitamin C
> and potasssium are required, and glutamine. I do them before the
> workout, before sleep, in the middle of the night. If you could take a
> nap every day, this would add one more release, and you would do it
> then. A professional athelete would take the nap.
> 
> Intense exercise or time are the essentials for good releases. You have
> to hit it hard, or you will be hurting  from not enough HGH release. For
> good aerobic conditioning, never let the heart slow down for the entire
> workout - keep moving.
> 
> Obviously , this is an aquired taste - you really have to like it to do
> it the way I do. The other thing that obviosly gets relesed in huge
> quanitities if you do this is testosterone, and that you can feel, and
> you can tell the difference in the strenght pickup very quickly. Every
> now and then I lift heavy weights to see where I am.
> 
> ============================================================
> 
> pbsmith@CC*.HA*.uC* wrote:
> >
> >         Ignoring the first two paragraphs, a very nice post George.  Is
> there
> a
> > process/procedure that you would provide to the list (specifics, not the
> > generalities stated below) on you regimen?  How much sleep, how much food,
> what
> > kind, what exercise, how much exercise, what vitamins, minerals, how much,
> how
> > often, etc., etc.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > PBS
> >
> > ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> > Subject: antioxidants
> > Author:  kirvine@sa*.ne* at CCGATE
> > Date:    9/20/98 3:30 PM
> >
> > I just got my AARG from Rod Nairne and scanned through it quickly. I
> > noticed an article by Bill Mee, but did not read it, and underneath it
> > some form of rebuttal from Walter Stark. I was not reading that one
> > either until my eye caught his reference to antioxidants, in particular
> > vitamin C. I doubt Bill Mee made any big recommendations of this,
> > although we both use them, but Walter clearly did not know why we use
> > them or how. I stopped reading when he dove off the deep end with some
> > reference so stupid and so misunderstood and misreferenced that I could
> > not read further.
> >
> >   For C, we all know it does not last too long in the body. We do not
> > bother with it for diving ( only E, which is well stored, not so well in
> > me so I use fish oil with it, but quite well in fat slobs or those whose
> > booze swoolen livers will absorb more of it and fail to metabolize it
> > ((or anything else)) very quickly).
> >
> >   I use C in conjunction with certain minerals , amino acids, and other
> > substances in concert with sleep and exercise cycles in order to produce
> > a bigger release of human growth hormone, and have it do its job more
> > effectively in the short time it has to work. HGH is what allows us to
> > hammer ourselves and recover immediately like a kid. Vitmin C is an
> > essential part of this sequence. ( You have to get the release, and then
> > you have to get the repair or "growth" by having everything in
> > place.)The rest would not be intersting to you guys at all, and you
> > would drop it when you discovered that the key is INTENSE exercise, and
> > getting up in the middle of the night to take the sequence again, and
> > eating only at certain times - eating only cetain things, etc not likely
> > to happen. Two per day workouts at 47 is not most people's lifestyle,
> > but trust me when I tell you it is a better high than you have ever had
> > otherwise, and the payoff is incredible.
> >
> >   This means it is an essential part of my diving, since I rely heavily
> > on extreme physical coniditoning to allow me to do reasonable
> > decompressions from unreasonable dives, not to mention stying warm,
> > staying comfortable, holding my breathing rate for endless hours, staying
> > alert, etc. However it may be intersting to you ccr divers since this
> > kind of physical conditioning allows you to know your body perfectly, and
> > feel anything and everything that it is doing.
> >
> 
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