Garrett,
Do you ever think you will learn to read?  If you ever do, you will find I
was trying to prevent more deaths of recreational  Nitrox divers, by
limiting their Nitrox use to shallow reef or wreck dives. When they decide
to do the HydroAtlantic ( which bottoms out at 175), they should either do
trimix with MOD at 190, or air.  If they use air they should not go much
below 100, but as we all know, many will. At least the air will not kill
them if they temporarily drop below the maximum depth they had "planned" for
the dive---as would be possible with a "hot" mix of Nitrox,  Jim Mimms
style...

And Garrett, in case your reading comprehension is still horribly challenged
with the normal tech diver fare, I have created a special easy to understand
version just for you:

See Garrett dive the Hydro. Garrett dives Nitrox. See Garrette dive too deep
on Nitrox. See Garrett convulsing and turning blue. See Garrett's friends
watch him die---Garrette's friends are sad because they can not dive their
nitrox mixes deep enough to grab his convulsing body, and return it to the
surface.
Stop. The misuse of Nitrox may well kill more badly deluded divers. See that
you read this enough times to understand the message.

Dan Volker


>
>
> George:
>
> You are the one with the series of hidden agendas. Because you
> have such an
> agenda, you automatically assume that everyone else also has a
> hidden agenda.
>
> Sorry to tell you differently but my e-mail was not in defense of
> Jim Mims but
> rather an observation that once again, Dan Volker was attempting
> to dictate how
> the rest of the world dives.
>
> That was it - plain and simple.
>
> I really am sorry to that I didn't have the hidden agenda that
> you assumed I
> did.
>
> But, if it really troubles you, you do have my permission to
> assume what ever
> you want. And, we do know about assumptions, don't we?
>
>
> Thanks for your kind consieration, I remain
>
> Humbly yours,
>
> Garrett Weinberg
>
> P.S. I still would like to know from Dan what one does with sites
> that have deep
> slopes.
>
> Katherine V. Irvine wrote:
>
> > Dan, it is jsut that Garret knows that Mims is one of IANTD's BOA, so he
> > is defending the indefensible out of reflex, and twisting it around to
> > an attack on me, which he hinks is somehow going to overide the
> > assininity at hand here - it will not - we will stay focused on the real
> > issues, and hammer the dumb asses privately. Of course, we could pull
> > out the comparative track records and really put this to the test, but
> > suffice it to say that you wre correct in mentioning this, you got the
> > usual suspects to prove to all just how stupid and dangerous they really
> > are, and we got to show how to do it right once again for those who
> > would like to see an alternative to learning diving from the local
> > village idiot. Again, we represent that alternative.
> >
> > Dan Volker wrote:
> > >
> > > Garrett, the original discussion centered around taking "recreational"
> > > divers or tech divers, to the HydroAtlantic, and diving then
> on nitrox.
> > >
> > > Changing the dive site just blurs the origiunal issue.
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Garrett Weinberg [mailto:scubait@ix*.ne*.co*]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 1998 2:25 PM
> > > > To: KybrSose@ao*.co*
> > > > Cc: kirvine@sa*.ne*; techdiver@ze*.kr*.co*; list@zen.kr.com;
> > > > Weinberg@ze*.kr*.co*; Walker@ze*.kr*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
> > > > freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*; cavers@ca*.co*
> > > > Subject: Re: Learning to identify and minimize risk -
> planet of the apes
> > > > part two
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And, if you remeber correctly, my example was a shore dive with a
> > > > slope that oculd
> > > > reach 500 feet. Should open water students be diving there?
> > > > That's the question I
> > > > addressed.
> > > >
> > > > Where do we draw the line?
> > > >
> > > > Garrett Weinberg
> > > >
> > > > KybrSose@ao*.co* wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 9/20/98 11:59:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > > scubait@ix*.ne*.co* writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Do you remember those types of divers? They don't care
> at all about
> > > > > >  technical divers. They don't care about mix, they don't care
> > > > about deco,
> > > > > >  they just want to put on a single tank and go diving and
> > > > have fun. No dive
> > > > > >  plan, just pure enjoyment.
> > > > >
> > > > >    And you were discussing taking these divers to deep dive
> > > > sites, and hoping
> > > > > they could deal with it.  Taking divers equiped as such, with
> > > > these mindsets,
> > > > > to dives sites that dont have a hard bottom at 100 fsw is
> > > > criminally reckless.
> > > > >
> > > > >   My opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > >    AL Marvelli
> > > >
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