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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:28:35 -0400
From: Tim Ross <diverse.tek@sy*.ca*>
To: zimmmt@au*.al*.co*
CC: TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: mix diving
Mike,

You have brought up some good points here. I personally am a firm believer in
using helium in most of my dives. Especially anything below 100'. I teach NAUI
Tech in Canada and in our cold waters I believe this is vital. The problem as I
see it though is regulating these people to  do shallow , no staged deco dives.
The other problem is to get rid of the myth of  trimix as some type of witch's
brew.
I for one don't believe in coursing people to death to get the training that
should be there from the beginning. I think what you suggest is possible and may
come in the future with organizations such as WKPP and GUE leading the way.
Hell, I will readily admit to teaching their techniques and philosophies to my
students in Canada, even though I am a NAUI Instructor. Why reinvent the wheel.

Mike Zimmerman wrote:

> > You did ask agencies why they did not teach mix in the 130 to 150 range. =
> > I for one did answer you and stated IANTD does in it's intermediate =
> > trimix program.
>
> Actually I was referring to contact I had with a different agency.
> Apologies if I slighted IANTD, that wasn't the intent.
>
> > Now as far as skill and theory go it does require more skill to do =
> > deeper dives than shallow ones and more equipment management.
>
> Ok, but we're not talking about teaching these divers to go DEEPER.
> I am talking about dives tha are already occuring ON AIR.
>
> Taking a NC wreck, for example.  Plenty of them in the 100'-130'
> range.  Very "recreational" depth.  Also widely considered to be
> in the range where narcosis will be a factor.
>
> Why not a simple course to teach them to use mix?  If I remember
> correctly, the IANTD Intermediate mix course is 70 hours?
> (apologies if I have that confused with another)
>
> After all what do we teach OW1 students, or basic nitrox students
> in reality?
>
> Here is a table.  It says you are breathing mix XYZ.  If you are
> breathing XYZ, here is how long you can stay at depth D.  when you finish
> your pressure group is #.
>
> Would it REALLY matter if that was a heliox table?
>
> > at having magic wands waived to allow divers to do deep mix dives (as in =
>
> We're not necessarily talking about DEEP dives.. only narcotic dives
> (when done on air)
>
> You have to step back from any preconceptions, but really, if
> you taught OW1 with heliox, think about the difference in
> narcosis....
>
> Kinda amazing how simple that could be (if you ignore the issue
> of availability) :-)  Point being we seem to like to teach
> stages, deco, gas managament, yadda yadda yadda with mix...
> it doesn't have to be so (I would argue).
>
> Regards,
> Mike
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