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Actually I have. You have cylinder rental (or outright purchase) costs as well. The gas price is just one thing. You also have the price of the mixing whips, fittings, analyzers (if you don't already have them), pressure gauges plus you need a place to store them. Personally I've already "tested the waters" with my wife about storing a few K bottles of O2 in the garage. That was a short conversation. Don't want the kids (ETA 4 months) to play around them. You also need a way to either boost the gas and you definitely need a way to put air on top. How much is a compressor and Haskel these days? The shops around here know me. If I came in for air they would either analyze the tank or dump it before testing. If you're not going to use a Haskel you're probably wasting a lot of gas so that means a cascade of 3-4 tanks isn't going to cut it. I work in another state (live in NJ, work in NYC) so who'' going to take delivery of new tanks? Oh, is there a delivery charge? Although I can stuff quite a bit of gear into my Audi I think K bottles would be pushing it. :-) As for helium, most of my dives don't require it. Wouldn't make a lot of sense to store or pump it. My diving buddies through about mixing our own as a group but then the decision of where to store, who does the mixing and at what hours of the night came up. Nitrox prices aren't that bad around here, it's just the helium... Art. -----Original Message----- From: SStewart@om*.co* [SMTP:SStewart@om*.co*] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 10:59 AM To: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: " but costs too much " Sounds like NE divers should be blending their own gas. In Colorado a "K" of O2 is $25, Research grade Helium is $125 for a "K" cylinder. Could probably blend enough gas for a Doria trip for about $300. Have you checked the price of gas from suppliers up there ? Steven > Steve, > > I think you're really lucky. The typical cost in the North East (at > least NY/NJ) is between $75-$95 for a set of doubles with mix. 40cf of > O2 is about $10-$15. Let's calculate it out. 2 tank boat dive $55-$75 > if you don't go way off shore. Hum, $65 (boat) + 2 x $85 (doubles) + 2x > $12 (deco) = about $250 for a mix dive outing. If you do the Doria on a > 5-6 tank boat and bring your own gas you can expect a total cost of > about $250-$500 PER DIVE. > > I think you're really lucky if you're doing mix dives for a gas cost of > $25. > > Art. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Hogan [SMTP:Steve_Hogan@qm*.sp*.tr*.co*] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 8:21 PM > To: Kevin Rottner; scubait@ix*.ne*.co*; > techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: " but costs too much " > > Kevin, > > All of these guys are whining that it costs too much have not > been > looking, they are just lazy. > > For an average day diving (with 18/40 mix, 50/50 deco) my total > gas costs are > about $25. I think my life is worth that (although I am sure > there is some > debate on that one<G>) > > They do like that buzz on the "really deep dive" > > Steve > ------------------------------ > Date: 9/21/98 5:02 PM > To: Hogan, Steve > From: Kevin Rottner > > > >And, p.s., it ain't going to filter down because of a simple > concept called > >economics. You may not understand such a bizarre concept but it > is the real > world. > > I am amazed at the number of local Southern California divers > that dive air > between 50' and 130', when inexpensive nitrox fills are readily > available, " > but cost too much ". > > I am amazed at the number of local Southern California divers > that come up > blue and shivering, when inexpensive good quality drysuits are > readily > available, " but cost too much". > > I am amazed at the number of local Southern California divers > that push the > tables, when inexpensive but very advanced dive computers are > readily > available, " but cost too much". > > I am amazed at the number of local Southern California divers > that dive old > crappy worn out gear ( mask, fins, regs, ets. ), when > inexpensive gear is > readily available, " but costs too much". > > Nitrox is too expensive ?? Think about the cost of an evac. and > chamber > series. Think about the cost of a corpse repatriation and > funeral. > > This is what we should "filter down" to the masses. > > The difference between the cost of making three gas dives off a > dive boat or > three air dives of a boat is insignificant when you calculate > the cost of > all our training and gear, and the price of the boat ticket into > those three > dives, or average the total cost of our training and gear over > our dive careers. > > But the inherient increased safety factor of using the best mix > for the dive > is tremendous. > > " it costs too much " is just an excuse. > > > Kevin > > > " You'll never miss the water, > until the well runs dry . . .. " > > as sung by Bob Marley > > [\] > | > | > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > o > o > o o > o o > _____ o o > (_/\_) o o o > =( )= oo > > Kevin Rottner > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ > Received: by qmail2.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;21 Sep 1998 17:00:35 > -0700 > Received: from bighorn.terra.net (root@bi*.te*.ne* > [199.103.128.2]) > by mail-relay2.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id > QAA04446 > for <Steve_Hogan@qm*.sp*.tr*.co*>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 > 16:53:39 -0700 (PDT) > Received: (mail@lo*) > by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) for > id TAA05417; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:03:35 -0400 > Precedence: bulk > Errors-To: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com > Received: from bighorn.terra.net (root@lo*) > by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) with EXEC for > techdiver > id SAA01524; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:31:59 -0400 > Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net > (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.85]) > by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) with ESMTP for > <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > id SAA01516; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:31:58 -0400 > Received: from LOCALNAME > (pool011-max9.ds23-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.26.61]) > by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP > id PAA10643; > Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:30:43 -0700 (PDT) > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:30:43 -0700 (PDT) > Message-Id: <199809212230.PAA10643@gu*.pr*.it*.ea*.ne*> > X-Sender: rottner@ea*.ne* > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > To: scubait@ix*.ne*.co*, <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > From: Kevin Rottner <Kevin@So*.co*> > Subject: " but costs too much " > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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