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From: "Paltz, Art" <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: " but costs too much "
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:54:14 -0400
Steve,

I think you're really lucky.  The typical cost in the North East (at
least NY/NJ) is between $75-$95 for a set of doubles with mix.  40cf of
O2 is about $10-$15.  Let's calculate it out.  2 tank boat dive $55-$75
if you don't go way off shore.  Hum, $65 (boat) + 2 x $85 (doubles) + 2x
$12 (deco) = about $250 for a mix dive outing.  If you do the Doria on a
5-6 tank boat and bring your own gas you can expect a total cost of
about $250-$500 PER DIVE.

I think you're really lucky if you're doing mix dives for a gas cost of
$25.

Art.

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Steve Hogan [SMTP:Steve_Hogan@qm*.sp*.tr*.co*]
	Sent:	Monday, September 21, 1998 8:21 PM
	To:	Kevin Rottner; scubait@ix*.ne*.co*;
techdiver@aquanaut.com
	Subject:	Re: " but costs too much "

	Kevin,

	All of these guys are whining that it costs too much have not
been 
	looking, they are just lazy.

	For an average day diving (with 18/40 mix, 50/50 deco) my total
gas costs are 
	about $25. I think my life is worth that (although I am sure
there is some
	debate on that one<G>)

	They do like that buzz on the "really deep dive"

	Steve
	------------------------------
	Date: 9/21/98 5:02 PM
	To: Hogan, Steve
	From: Kevin Rottner


	>And, p.s., it ain't going to filter down because of a simple
concept called
	>economics. You may not understand such a bizarre concept but it
is the real
	world.

	I am amazed at the number of local Southern California divers
that dive air
	between 50' and 130', when inexpensive nitrox fills are readily
available, "
	but cost too much ".

	I am amazed at the number of local Southern California divers
that come up
	blue and shivering, when inexpensive good quality drysuits are
readily
	available, " but cost too much".

	I am amazed at the number of local Southern California divers
that push the
	tables, when inexpensive but very advanced dive computers are
readily
	available, " but cost too much".

	I am amazed at the number of local Southern California divers
that dive old
	crappy worn out gear ( mask, fins, regs, ets. ), when
inexpensive gear is
	readily available, " but costs too much".

	Nitrox is too expensive ?? Think about the cost of an evac. and
chamber
	series. Think about the cost of a corpse repatriation and
funeral.

	This is what we should "filter down" to the masses. 

	The difference between the cost of making three gas dives off a
dive boat or
	three air dives of a boat is insignificant when you calculate
the cost of
	all our training and gear, and the price of the boat ticket into
those three
	dives, or average the total cost of our training and gear over
our dive careers.

	But the inherient increased safety factor of using the best mix
for the dive
	is tremendous.

	" it costs too much " is just an excuse.


	Kevin


	" You'll never miss the water,
	until the well runs dry . . .. "

	as sung by Bob Marley 

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	Kevin Rottner

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