Steve Berman, so the story goes, came up to dive the Doria a while back and
kicked ya'll's asses.

----------
> From: Rubrifolia@ao*.co*
> To: wwm@sa*.ne*; Kevin@So*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Cc: cavers@ca*.co*; kirvine@sa*.ne*
> Subject: Re: A Call to Arms
> Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 12:54 PM
> 
> In a message dated 8/31/98 10:31:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wwm@sa*.ne*
> writes:
> 
> << 
>  Would you call cave diving, ocean diving, drift diving, mixed gas
diving, SC
>  rebreather diving, scooter diving and wreck diving collectively a
"narrow"
>  application?>>>
> 
> Its all warm water, blue water diving....
> As far as I am aware not one of you DIR big guns has ever come up
Northeast to
> dive...none of you have the remotest clue what the boats up here do and
have
> to put up with on a regular basis....by narrow application, I am also
> referring to the idea that at least I have that you all only deal with
already
> extremely capable and motivated divers......
>  
>  > it has also been very vigorously, aggressively, promoted by people
>  >who have very large agendas
>  
> >> In other words you have a big problem with the WKPP. Maybe we're
missing
>  something here. I think you need to stop beating around the bush and
tell us
>  what is wrong with having a socalled agenda in favor of safety, against
>  foolish and proven dangerous practices and in favor of a team oriented
dive
>  philosophy. The basis for DIR is that you dive as part of a team and
your
>  team is an essential part of your life support system and vice vera. 
What's
>  your problem with that agenda?>>>
> 
> Not a thing...there are many things that you all do very well...and what
you
> all have achieved is truly in the realm of awesome...you all certainly
have a
> huge investment in the WKPP project itself....ego and political and
financial
> (which is fine, just needs to be identified) and you (thats the
figurative
> plural) seem to carry that over to this forum....solo diving or a team of
one
> is not a sin, it is a fact........we do not get to hear about your bends
> incidences...or for that matter any of your near incidences....and they
have
> to have occurred.....you demand openess from everyone else as information
> relevant to  the accident prevention process and yet do not
reciprocate......
> 
> but attacking the KPP was not the point of the post.....it doesn't
interest
> me, I like the good stuff you do and am very capable of putting the crap
in
> the litter box....  ..for people who beat the living daylights out of
anyone
> who has the unmitigated gall to disagree with one iota of what you
proclaim,
> you sure have thin skins ......
> 
> I simply said that I was leary of the proselytizing that DIR is the ONLY
way
> to go in refering to a web page that proposed to list "instroketers" and
> "murder co-conspirators".....DIR can be a place to EVOLVE to, should your
> brain pan and type of diving require it, but not all diving will or
> does......it also seems to me that DIR is or should be about a hell of a
lot
> more than gear and cards...
> 
> a post a while back mentioned that somone  took the trimix course so that
they
> could feel comfortable at 130 ft.....excuse me???isn't the cart before
the
> horse here? Shouldn't they feel comfortable at 130 before taking the mix
> course.....it seems to me that people are loading up on gear and pretty
big
> concepts way before they are capable of handling them.........
> 
>  >however, there are other types of divers
>  >equally skilled at acheiving their goals who put equally intensive
thought
>  and
>  >work into their gear and technique....they simply have not chosen to
say
>  that
>  >they are the only ones who have the right way......
>  >
>  
>  >>The above is a creative way of describing "personal preference". 
Personal
>  prefrence is one of the most dangerous and insidious attitudes in diving
and
>  eventually this mindset will get you or your buddies killed. Personal
>  preference is the hallmark of a stroke.>>>
> 
> I am not talking about personal preferences here....I am talking about
diving
> that has been very well tailored to meet its environment.....something
you all
> have done for what you do, but what has also been done up here for this
> place.....I submit that the hallmark of a stroke is the inability to
recognize
> other equal forms of intellligence at work......
> 
> you all have created teams that have achieved the previously
> unimaginable....something that could only have occurred with phenomenal
> teamwork and dedication to that team work and are making a valiant
attempt to
> share what you all perceive as the best way....thank you, but I just wish
you
> could see some of the "DIR" conceptualizations and confabulations that
one
> sees up here on these boats....it can get pretty bizarre....things are
getting
> lost in the translation, maybe, see Joe diver doesn't have your goals or
> motiviations.....what does he need this phenomenal dedication and mindset
and
> direction for?  Hes going diving, dude, got some really cool stuff,
> too...shoulda seen the instructor, too, really buff...gotta start going
to the
> gym......tells great stories, man....
> 
> So, of course, you will immediately respond well, thats not DIR...well,
no,no
> its not....but that doesn't solve the prob.....
> 
> one of the points trying to be made with the previous post was that often
it
> seems that people are making the mistaken assumption that all this
particular
> gear with just this particular setup will miraculously render them
somehow
> safer than those godless heathen strokes.....you guys are good at
soundbites,
> I'll give you that....they are missing the perhaps simply all too obvious
> point (to you)  that a diver even beginning to approach 'technical '
needs
> vast amounts of time in the water and a proper or healthy (I know I'm
heading
> for trouble here) mindset and self awareness....gear alone or gear set up
> alone or the person who taught you how to clear your mask will not or do
not
> make you a capable diver......
>  
>  >>BTW is Rubrifolia some sort of dermatological disorder?>>
> 
> Rubrifolia is Latin nomencalture for a rose, I thought you were the
science
> guy....
>  
>  ,
>  
> 
>  
--
Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.

Navigate by Author: [Previous] [Next] [Author Search Index]
Navigate by Subject: [Previous] [Next] [Subject Search Index]

[Send Reply] [Send Message with New Topic]

[Search Selection] [Mailing List Home] [Home]