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>You've often stated your opinion that tri-atheletes are superior to other >people in general. dan has never stated that, you twist shit to fit you needs > >You've often stated your opinion that *only* elite level athletes, such as >tri-atheletes, are qualified to be technical divers: the only ones who >*can* or *should* be attempting technical diving. see above > >Jane was a tri-athelete -- a member of *your* S. FL athletic/diving >community. It appears from your posts that she and Alan knew you before >this accident. We may be able to assume she also knew, or knew of/heard all >about WKPP's diving, people/accomplishments from you, george, mee, etc.(She >intended to take "deep cave" from JJ.) We are certain that george knew her >instr. and her instr's wife (his employee), etc. So either from you/friends >or her instr., there was a feedback loop about extreme diving and elite >level athletes. I knew Dan from freediving, JJ was picked by me and she agreed, to be our instructor, JJ was not aware of this as we had not called him yet, she wanted to get her rec instructor rating first, she went to a "friend". instructor trainer derick 'leavem' mcnutty became her instructor. she did not read this list. > >Jane was a recreational diver and divemaster. We can probably safely assume >she was experienced/comfortable making *single alum. tank*, single mix >(air) rec dives, in a wet suit, down to and no deeper than 130, since she >was not yet a tech diver. yep > >From *george's* original post about this accident, we are told she was >taking her tri-mix course *in preparation* for a "deep caving course from >JJ." we were to go to JJ for this but her "friend' talked her into doing it with him, money was his motivator, towards the end we had discussions on this, she was tired of his unorganized crap and could not wait to be done, she still was being held captive by her instructor cert, she never finished it and if still here would have quit as she would still be needing to do some other shit for him > >Not in prep. for a *Cavern* course. Not in prep for *Intro to Cave*, not in >prep. for *Apprentice Cave* , not in prep for *Full Cave* -- but in prep >for a *deep caving course* from one of *your diving community* -- from one >of the best cave/tech divers/instr.'s in the world -- another elite level >athlete/member of your community -- a peer. see above JJ was not contacted prior to her death I still have not contacted JJ, he was not able to do anything for or against the situation. your really trying to make something out of something that did not happen > >Again, it appears she knew about JJ/WKPP/george/cave diving/etc. -- either >influenced by you directly -- or by other members of her/your mutual >communities. all that was new to her, her friend had more infuence on her, he was an instructor trainer for christ sake, who would have guessed he would abandon her??? > >With the confidence of an experienced *rec. divemaster* and an elite level >athlete -- on a single/fatal dive -- a *training dive* -- she wore a >dry-suit *for the 1st time* (according to the *original* version from you >guys) -- in open water *twice* the depth she was experienced in -- with >heavy doubles -- plus stage bottles -- containing a variety of gases -- and >multiple regulators -- plus multiple inflation devices (suit and BC) -- >having gotten the impression SOMEHWERE that she, as only elite level >athletes are, was able/qualified to take on these tasks *all at once* -- in >a class that she viewed as *nothing more than a Tech 101 prerequisite* for >her *actual goal of becoming a deep cave diver*. you are so full of shit > >My questions become: > >Who put her in harm's way for her fatal dive? ask derick > >Who mislead her about what it means/what it takes to be a tech diver? people like you and derick > >Who was her peer group? Her diving influences? Where were they when she >took off to take the course? the scuba school in fort lauderdale fla, they were with her, I was at work, wkpp had never heard of her at this point > >Who created the peer pressure that set her up for over-extending by far her >actual abilities/experience? are you a dr?? > >Who "sold" her on doing this -- who got the mind-set underway that *lead >her to seek a tech instructor* (the one who later seems to have blown it >big-time)? the last part is the only thing you are getting right, she really only wanted her instructor rating, derick pushed the rest, mony was his motivator, this will come out after the trial > >Who/what convinced her she could handle all this task loading at once? Did >her instructor talk her into all this yes he did -- or was she already convinced, in >your opinion, that this was risk-free, basic, kindergarten stuff for elite >level athletes? you are full of shit > >Who gave her the impression that being an elite level athlete meant she was >also *already* one of the elite/few qualified to take on tech diving? Were >the messages she heard about the risks involved accurate or misleading? see above > >Who created her *perceived risk* attitude? Did she pull it out of thin air? see above > >Who's community was she part of and what messages about the risks did she >receive from it? > >The dive lists? Wrolf's friends and neighbors? Mine? Neither of us had any >contact with her. Neither of us recommends specific diving >techniques/equipment. None of us go around dick-waving and bragging that we >are the perfect specimens, the best in the world, accident-free, perfect >safety record, done it all better/deeper/farther than anyone else can/hopes >to; never claiming to be the authorities, the know-it-alls, the "real men", >the baddest, tuffest, bravest, boldest. None of us have *ever* said we have >taken the risk out of this kind of diving. Is that what you refer to as >your group's "safety message"? > >Who was around her -- who were her peers/friends/info sources that helped >form her opinions? Who would you ordinarily say is responsible for a friend >going off half-cocked, over-amped, only partially or uninformed, going far >beyond her actual skills/experience? Again, is that what you refer to as >your group's (her peer group's) "safety message"? > >The impression I get -- from what you guys put on the list -- is that you >all were her first source and her greatest influence before she even got on >the boat that day. > >But who blames *everyone else* for her demise? > >If the shoe fits, Dan, wear it. And if it's uncomfortable for you, don't >try to change it for a jack boot. You may be able to kick my ass and the >asses of 90% of people on the diving lists. But I'd still be right -- and >you'd still be wrong. > >Just my opinion. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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