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Al, I think the point is that you can learn stuff by doing rather than taking the word of a person who may or may not know whatinthehell they are talking about. I never took a drysuit course. I read the manual and did some research on the side and jumped in. It took about 10 or so dives to perfect the drysuit technique but now I adjust it automatically and don't even know it's there. But I did not do a feet-first or any of the other pratfalls because, via research, I avoided them. The worse thing that happened is I was so intent on keeping the suit deflated, I forgot about the wings. I had to deflate them to get back down to deco depth. I will bet if Lizzie had RTFM (read the fucking manual) he would not have lost the drysuit. If I did take further training and the instructor said to the stuff the long hose I would tell *him* to get stuffed because I have determined on my own that it's the way to go... Ccards are great and all that but keep in mind that there is a whole generation of divers before us who have already learned the hardway (and don't to this day have ccards) and put these experiences down for those of us who are motivated to find and learn. Jim Sender: KybrSose@ao*.co* Date: 8/31/98 2:09 PM >In a message dated 8/31/98 1:03:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >Rubrifolia@ao*.co* writes: > >> his is an intense activity.....thats one of its attractions.....but the >ocean >> is an implaccable force....it doesn't give a hoot about how many cards you >> have or how much money you dropped on them or your gear configurations, if >> its >> macho or the latest in tech or DIR......DIR has to start with simply doing >> it.....and having the internal knowledge or sense or awareness of ones own >> ability level.... > > >Yes, but............. > > We were discussing the paradigm of the student and the incompetent >instructor. > > It would seem that there are at least some instructors that dont >understand >what they are doing. We both know they are out there, we see their students >all the time. < ccard please? oh scuba network, you've had no formal >training >then> THe guy who paniced over the lost mask, was he trained correctly?? >The guy who was cut out of a brand new northern diver dry suit after blowing >up on the Lizzie, becasue his instructor told him to close the exhaust valve >and never open it during the dive,< I saw the suit and heard the story at >Raimo's>, did he receive quality instruction? who is at fault there?? > > If you dont know any better and no one else tells you your instructor is a >moron, who should shoulder the burden of that, the student?? > >We know who the asshole instructors are, but we dont say anything, why?? > >Doesn't our silence implicate us in their suffering?? > >Al Marvelli aka KybrSose@ao*.co* >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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