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Hi Peter, It's refreshing to see a reasonable response. At 07:21 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Peter Wallace wrote: >Jeremey, >I've been here for years on cavers and techdiver, yet I'm relatively new >to the rebreather list. That being said, I am probably older (52) than >your Buddy pH, and have possibly been diving longer, but that's another >point and beside the question. I can't honestly say Peter is a buddy, I've only met him once but I have allways enjoyed his medical insights in relation to our mutual interests in diving. His insights are usually well researched and accurite. George's would probably be just as respected by myself if he could shake the persistant case of rabies he must have contracted by the inhabitants in one of his favorite haunts. As far as the age issue goes I believe you two are probably in for a tie there. >All I hear from Dr. pH(art),as you call him, is lots of noise (ha, a >pun) with apparently little visible substance in terms of experience, at >least relative to his current opponent. Most of us know George's >accomplishments and find them exceptional, we know he and the WKPP does >the dives and the deco and survives without being hammered (most likely >a function of conditioning). I also find their view on CCR's and >electronics also carries lots of intuitive appeal. George's & Peter's accomplishments are very different, I don't see Peter even trying to compare these, rather I see him arguing the point we all have had frustration with. George rants about being able to blow off a major portion of his deco obligation due to diet & exercise without explaining further the other factors he is implementing. He then mocks those that err on the side of caution as being whimps or "strokes". You can't disseminate half of the vital information and encourage those listening to blow off their deco without understanding the full issues. This is dangerous as many people listen to George (myself included) and try to implement his suggestions. We already know of one person being bent by blindly following his suggestions while only understanding half the issues. He either needs to come clean or quit giving out incomplete info, I personally would like to hear the whole story. >The point is we know the WKPP does the dives and the deco, the question >is what are the good Doctor's qualifications to argue with one, or a >group, who have been doing the dives successfully for some time? > >If pH has the experience people will listen to him, if not, then he is >simply full of crap and pontificating theory rather than practice. > >I am merely trying to find a basis as to why one would accept the views >of pH unless he actually has the experience and qualifications to argue >with what is becoming proven fact.I have seen his posts on the >rebreather list, but does he have anywhere near the experience of the >WKPP divers with extreme dives? I tend to believe he doesn't... I don't think Peter is arguing the facts rather he is trying to coax George to give us the complete information so we can actually believe him. We know it works for him but he can't continue giving out incomplete and therfore dangerous info. Don't take me wrong, I really do respect almost everything George has suggested in relation to techniques, equipment and health but the deco arguements are flawed if incomplete. Hell, he even got me back into the gym as he did many others - he was right, but I'm not shortening my deco until I know more. Common sense is allways smarter than blind faith. One last note, while I fully agree that the RMV rated rebreather is the right tool for Georges job it may not be for all forms of diving. Everyone understands that while it is perfect for long deep task loaded exposures, we also understand that it is inefficient for shallower exposures. To hammer people for actually realizing this is unfair. The simple operation RMV rated design is very attractive to all of us but the size & efficiency has to improve. I study and tinker with different breather designs and I know that the RMV rated systems are not as new as some would like us to think. The French Navy used to use such a system as well, I understand that they now use a C2 like most. The arguement that C2's are only for military use becuase they are too task loading is flawed, I believe that the most task loaded diver in the world has to be a UDT diver. I also believe our forces with their unlimited budgets are using one of the best systems to date. If the entire EDU believed as George would like us to believe then their approved design would reflect such thoughts. Right now I believe that for shallower less tasking dives a C2 is a reasonable choice, especially if your interests are more animated than stone formations and tend to disappear with even the slightest amount of bubbles. Both designs have their place. >In all seriousness, I am really interested in pH's qualifications in >this arena. > >by the way, rhyme is the correct spelling of "rhime". Thanks for the spelling lession ;^) Jeremy >Looking forward to your response... > > > >Jeremy Downs wrote: >> >> pH new to these lists??......... Now there is a funny line! There is more >> than one reason he's referred to as the old pHart. ;^) >> >> Obviously your the one who is new, now only if you had a clue! >> (hey, that rhimes!) >> >> (please don't CC me to cavers, that list is a royal pain in the ass as it >> seems a complete imbicile is maintianing it) >> >> At 07:27 PM 8/3/98 -0400, Peter Wallace wrote: >> >Dr. H, here's an interesting point: >> > >> >Since you are apparently relatively new to the cavers list and >> >techdiver, and after reading your posts and following your on-going >> >exchange with kirvine and Bill Mee, I for one would like to know >> >something of your diving qualifications. >> > >> > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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