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Jeremy Downs wrote: > Hi Peter, > It's refreshing to see a reasonable response. > > At 07:21 PM 8/4/98 -0400, Peter Wallace wrote: > >Jeremey, > >I've been here for years on cavers and techdiver, yet I'm relatively new > >to the rebreather list. That being said, I am probably older (52) than > >your Buddy pH, and have possibly been diving longer, but that's another > >point and beside the question. > > I can't honestly say Peter is a buddy, I've only met him once but I have > allways enjoyed his medical insights in relation to our mutual interests in > diving. His insights are usually well researched and accurite. George's > would probably be just as respected by myself if he could shake the > persistant case of rabies he must have contracted by the inhabitants in one > of his favorite haunts. As far as the age issue goes I believe you two are > probably in for a tie there. > > >All I hear from Dr. pH(art),as you call him, is lots of noise (ha, a > >pun) with apparently little visible substance in terms of experience, at > >least relative to his current opponent. Most of us know George's > >accomplishments and find them exceptional, we know he and the WKPP does > >the dives and the deco and survives without being hammered (most likely > >a function of conditioning). I also find their view on CCR's and > >electronics also carries lots of intuitive appeal. > > George's & Peter's accomplishments are very different, I don't see Peter > even trying to compare these, rather I see him arguing the point we all have > had frustration with. George rants about being able to blow off a major > portion of his deco obligation due to diet & exercise without explaining > further the other factors he is implementing. He then mocks those that err > on the side of caution as being whimps or "strokes". You can't disseminate > half of the vital information and encourage those listening to blow off > their deco without understanding the full issues. This is dangerous as many > people listen to George (myself included) and try to implement his > suggestions. We already know of one person being bent by blindly following > his suggestions while only understanding half the issues. He either needs to > come clean or quit giving out incomplete info, I personally would like to > hear the whole story. > > >The point is we know the WKPP does the dives and the deco, the question > >is what are the good Doctor's qualifications to argue with one, or a > >group, who have been doing the dives successfully for some time? > > > >If pH has the experience people will listen to him, if not, then he is > >simply full of crap and pontificating theory rather than practice. > > > >I am merely trying to find a basis as to why one would accept the views > >of pH unless he actually has the experience and qualifications to argue > >with what is becoming proven fact.I have seen his posts on the > >rebreather list, but does he have anywhere near the experience of the > >WKPP divers with extreme dives? I tend to believe he doesn't... > > I don't think Peter is arguing the facts rather he is trying to coax George > to give us the complete information so we can actually believe him. We know > it works for him but he can't continue giving out incomplete and therfore > dangerous info. Don't take me wrong, I really do respect almost everything > George has suggested in relation to techniques, equipment and health but the > deco arguements are flawed if incomplete. Hell, he even got me back into the > gym as he did many others - he was right, but I'm not shortening my deco > until I know more. Common sense is allways smarter than blind faith. > > One last note, while I fully agree that the RMV rated rebreather is the > right tool for Georges job it may not be for all forms of diving. Everyone > understands that while it is perfect for long deep task loaded exposures, we > also understand that it is inefficient for shallower exposures. To hammer > people for actually realizing this is unfair. The simple operation RMV rated > design is very attractive to all of us but the size & efficiency has to improve. > > I study and tinker with different breather designs and I know that the RMV > rated systems are not as new as some would like us to think. The French Navy > used to use such a system as well, I understand that they now use a C2 like > most. The arguement that C2's are only for military use becuase they are too > task loading is flawed, I believe that the most task loaded diver in the > world has to be a UDT diver. I also believe our forces with their unlimited > budgets are using one of the best systems to date. If the entire EDU > believed as George would like us to believe then their approved design would > reflect such thoughts. > > Right now I believe that for shallower less tasking dives a C2 is a > reasonable choice, especially if your interests are more animated than stone > formations and tend to disappear with even the slightest amount of bubbles. > Both designs have their place. > > >In all seriousness, I am really interested in pH's qualifications in > >this arena. > > > >by the way, rhyme is the correct spelling of "rhime". > > Thanks for the spelling lession ;^) > > Jeremy > > >Looking forward to your response... > > > > > > > >Jeremy Downs wrote: > >> > >> pH new to these lists??......... Now there is a funny line! There is more > >> than one reason he's referred to as the old pHart. ;^) > >> > >> Obviously your the one who is new, now only if you had a clue! > >> (hey, that rhimes!) > >> > >> (please don't CC me to cavers, that list is a royal pain in the ass as it > >> seems a complete imbicile is maintianing it) > >> > >> At 07:27 PM 8/3/98 -0400, Peter Wallace wrote: > >> >Dr. H, here's an interesting point: > >> > > >> >Since you are apparently relatively new to the cavers list and > >> >techdiver, and after reading your posts and following your on-going > >> >exchange with kirvine and Bill Mee, I for one would like to know > >> >something of your diving qualifications. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > --unsubscribe please > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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