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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:41:47 -0400
From: "Katherine V. Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: DIR
To: jbentley@cr*.co*
CC: techdive@ea*.ne*, techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>,
     cavers@ca*.co*
Subject: Re: re hose routing - IT gets worse...
I guess the obvious needs to be mentioned as well: the hose is too short
to configure properly from the other post, too short to share properly,
and a kinking ( read shutoff ) problem . A backup on the right is a
comeplete cluster.

Instructors who teach this are robbing their customers of any reasonable
chance to progress at this sport, and they do it beucase they do not
themselves do any real diving, have any real gear, or know anything
worth know\oing in the first place.

The dead giveaway with all of these guys is that they complain so
bitterly about me and go to any lengths to oppose me in secret and in
behind the scenes ways.  I am just another diver. This tells you we are
exposing something here that they do not want you to konw. I could see
it with them losing there deep air insurance, but what is the rest of
the fear all about? Who cares what I think?

Jeff Bentley wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> It gets worse John.
> 
> NO ONE who is worth a damn will ever dive with you with your
> long hose on the left post.
> 
> check your back for "kick me" signs,
> Jeff
> 
> Katherine V. Irvine wrote:
> 
> > John, this is what I mean by "Dive Shop Monkeeism". You are so stupid
> > and so low on the intellectual food chain that nothing you say even
> > makes cursory sense. You put this stupidity together in a complete
> > vacuum, rather than looking at the dynamics of the situation. This is my
> > complaint about dive instruction - the sub human "intelligence" that
> > seems to come as standard equipment with most of you . You remind me of
> > a raccoon that picks up food with its hands and appears to "wash" it in
> > water before eating it - still a filthy, stupid rodent.
> >
> >   If you could read, and if you could hold more than one thought in that
> > pea brain of yours for a split second, you would see the whole picture
> > with gear rigging. Of course, I do not have the vast experience and
> > ability in tech diving that you dive shop wizzards and IANTD or TDI
> > instructors possess ( God only knows where you get it, not from doing
> > anying that is standard fare for me) .
> >
> >   Let's look it over. The backup reg is on the left. Proper regs feed
> > right to left ( not the bullshit shower heads ). The backup hangs around
> > the neck. Tht means it goes on the left post. We all know that valves
> > turn off clockwise, on counter. That means the reality is the left valve
> > can roll off. We know that this is only half the problem. The other half
> > is break off after roll off - the real risk. Therfore, you need a way
> > out of that. This is done with the isolator and by putting the inflator
> > ( WHICH IS YOUR THIRD REG ) on the right side which can roll on or break
> > off, but not roll off. Only the absolute worst dive shop monkee would
> > put the long hose on the left post - the worst bottom feeding, screw
> > your buddy, short sighted static thinking moron ( I realize that does
> > not narrow the field much in dive instruction. I can count the good dive
> > intructors I know on one hand, maybe two hands).
> >
> >    The pressure guage goes on the left where it can be read while
> > scootering , among other things tha you may never find out about.
> >
> >    Divers want to learn real life methods that will hold up as they
> > advance and add gear or complexity. All you know is how to stand up in
> > the swimming pool when something goes wrong, and it shows.
> >
> >    I suggest you shut up, and leave the information to those of us who
> > have some. While your inarticulate street bum logic may seem real smart
> > to you, it is embarrassing to those of us who actually do the diving and
> > have a track record that you can not even fathom. What strokes like you
> > are doing to this sport is equally embarrassing, and reading the slop
> > you post to this list goes as long way towards explaining it. You are a
> > dangerously stupid moron, and you really need to shut the hell up now.
> >    There is no "modification" to our methods - you do not understand
> > them, do not pretend to "wash" your food on this list with me around. I
> > can spot a dumb ass 3000 miles away, and you are so rock stupid and have
> > proven it so many times on here that one would think you would have shut
> > up by now . Unlike the local goobers, your stupidity is not the least
> > bit entertaining. You are just plain dangerous, and the "tragic
> > situation" that you allude to is that YOU teach diving - that is
> > "tragic".
> >
> > ********
> >  From the pen of Johnny Walker ----
> >
> >   The Idiot wrote:
> > > If you ran your long hose off your right post and you had to deal with
> > >an out of gas diver, you could experience the reality of roll off at >the
> > >worst possible time.  Hypothetically, after handing off you long hose
> > >from the right post you grab the back-up reg on your left post, its >been
> > >rolled off. Now you have a second, possibly tragic problem.
> > > This an example of why I run my long hose(primary reg)from the left
> > >post.
> > >            John
> >
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> 
> --
> Jeff Bentley     jbentley@cr*.co*    http://www.crl.com/~jbentley


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