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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:10:20 -0500
From: Alton Hall <ahall@da*.co*>
To: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@co*.ne*>
CC: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, Dan Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*>,
     techdiver
Subject: Re: Brett Gilliam and George Irvine
Your assumptions are incorrect. If it is a personal batle with Mr. Irvine that
you
are seeking I suggest you contact him directly as he can take care of himself.
If it
is a legal battle that you are seeking call me. Alton J.  Hall, Jr.
Wrolf Courtney wrote:

> You know, I have been wondering about this for quite some time.
>
> Is Brett Gilliam's participation in US Navy experiments in 1971 the reason why
> the WKPP crowd call him a pot smoker?  If so, it seems like a distortion of
the
> facts.
>
> If you call him a fat slob, then listeners assume you mean he is overweight
now.
> If you call him a pot smoker, then again, listeners assume now.  But no one
has
> come forward with any such evidence.  If I were Brett, I would sue.
>
> On a possibly related topic, what is with George Irvine?  First we get an
unusual
> (to say the least) message that he would no longer be reading techdiver, but
that
> messages could be relayed to him if sent to a particular address.
>
> Then someone asks why, only to be flamed by a WKPP'er for making fun of
George's
> legal problems.  But what are his legal problems?
>
> Then George starts posting under names like Kathy van Deusem Irvine
> <kirvine@sa*.ne*> and Ian Irvine <iirvine@sa*.ne*>.  On the very first
such
> post he makes a brave effort to assume the persona, but it breaks down by the
> end.
>
> So what could explain all this?
>
> The most common guess that I have heard is that he is being sued for slander,
> and/or libel.  But who?  Brett Gilliam is of course the obvious choice,
> especially when you see what he has on his web site about George.
> http://www.tdiusa.com/articles/fear.html.
>
> But this was such old hat.  And why have none of the WKPP crowd let it slip -
> called Brett Gilliam a "fat pot smoking lawyer loving slob", perhaps.
>
> Another possibility is that George has taken his interest in law enforcement
to
> the point of interference.  My recollection is that George's silence started
> shortly after he had boasted of calling up some sheriff in the Mid-West, to
claim
> that a diving death was in fact murder.  A death with whose circumstances
George
> had no personal familiarity.
>
> But I do not really see counsel advising not reading the techdiver list as a
> defense strategy.  But the law in America always surprises me.  And why would
he
> start posting under transparently fake names?  Perhaps because he cannot help
> himself, but then we are getting into a whole different kind of explanation.
>
> And what would that kind of explanation be?  I assume Narcissistic Personality
> Disorder, http://www.mentalhealth.com/dx/fdx-pe07.html, but I am not a
> psychologist.  A brief hospitalization would explain the absence from the
list in
> which he could not even lurk
>
> It does not explain the George/Kathy/Ian shell game though.
>
> My initial guess was that George was having problems at Sears.  Or rather,
Morgan
> Stanley Dean Witter Reynolds, since Sears had just sold the financial
services to
> Morgan Stanley.  This incident started shortly after he started posting to
> techdiver from his Bloomberg terminal, i.e. at work.
>
> So this scenario would be that Sears notices how much e-mail George is doing
on
> his Bloomberg, and realizes that he is not doing his work.  Rather than
canning
> him, he agrees not to participate in techdiver ... but sneaks back on, once he
> learns that they are not really watching carefully.
>
> So, any takers for any of these scenarios?  Any facts to be added?  E-mail to
me
> directly if you want to remain anonymous, but remember to broadcast the
flames.
>
> --
> Wrolf
>
> Wrolf's Wreck:     http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf
> Wrolf's Net.Wreck: http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/netmgmt.shtml
>
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