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In a message dated 98-07-24 13:01:23 EDT, you write:

<< You know, I have been wondering about this for quite some time.
 
 Is Brett Gilliam's participation in US Navy experiments in 1971 the reason
why
 the WKPP crowd call him a pot smoker?  If so, it seems like a distortion of
the
 facts.
 
 If you call him a fat slob, then listeners assume you mean he is overweight
now.
 If you call him a pot smoker, then again, listeners assume now.  But no one
has
 come forward with any such evidence.  If I were Brett, I would sue.
 
 On a possibly related topic, what is with George Irvine?  First we get an
unusual
 (to say the least) message that he would no longer be reading techdiver, but
that
 messages could be relayed to him if sent to a particular address.
 
 Then someone asks why, only to be flamed by a WKPP'er for making fun of
George's
 legal problems.  But what are his legal problems?
 
 Then George starts posting under names like Kathy van Deusem Irvine
 <kirvine@sa*.ne*> and Ian Irvine <iirvine@sa*.ne*>.  On the very first
such
 post he makes a brave effort to assume the persona, but it breaks down by the
 end.
 
 So what could explain all this?
 
 The most common guess that I have heard is that he is being sued for slander,
 and/or libel.  But who?  Brett Gilliam is of course the obvious choice,
 especially when you see what he has on his web site about George.
 http://www.tdiusa.com/articles/fear.html.
 
 But this was such old hat.  And why have none of the WKPP crowd let it slip -
 called Brett Gilliam a "fat pot smoking lawyer loving slob", perhaps.
 
 Another possibility is that George has taken his interest in law enforcement
to
 the point of interference.  My recollection is that George's silence started
 shortly after he had boasted of calling up some sheriff in the Mid-West, to
claim
 that a diving death was in fact murder.  A death with whose circumstances
George
 had no personal familiarity.
 
 But I do not really see counsel advising not reading the techdiver list as a
 defense strategy.  But the law in America always surprises me.  And why would
he
 start posting under transparently fake names?  Perhaps because he cannot help
 himself, but then we are getting into a whole different kind of explanation.
 
 And what would that kind of explanation be?  I assume Narcissistic
Personality
 Disorder, http://www.mentalhealth.com/dx/fdx-pe07.html, but I am not a
 psychologist.  A brief hospitalization would explain the absence from the
list in
 which he could not even lurk
 
 It does not explain the George/Kathy/Ian shell game though.
 
 My initial guess was that George was having problems at Sears.  Or rather,
Morgan
 Stanley Dean Witter Reynolds, since Sears had just sold the financial
services to
 Morgan Stanley.  This incident started shortly after he started posting to
 techdiver from his Bloomberg terminal, i.e. at work.
 
 So this scenario would be that Sears notices how much e-mail George is doing
on
 his Bloomberg, and realizes that he is not doing his work.  Rather than
canning
 him, he agrees not to participate in techdiver ... but sneaks back on, once
he
 learns that they are not really watching carefully.
 
 So, any takers for any of these scenarios?  Any facts to be added?  E-mail to
me
 directly if you want to remain anonymous, but remember to broadcast the
flames.
 
 --
 Wrolf
  >>

Here here.  I was begining to think I was the only one who realized that
George and has croonies were simply running a smear campain.  Hopefully if
enough people tell them that (while we respect their diving skills) we see
through their BS and know that they are really self serving (GUE) egotistical
assholes, they will shut up.  
Don't get me wrong I know that not all people associated with the WKPP are
like this.  Just like they should know that not all TDI, IANTD, etc etc
instructors are unsafe.  These  guys are obviously trying to smear the
existing agencies in order to make room for hteir buddy's.

Wake up people.  The DIR system works, it works well, it may be the best
diving rig you could ever possibly use.  BUT these people are not gods they do
not know it all ! 
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