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Subject: Re: PA Quarry Near Drowning - Deep Air the culprit???
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:38:31 -0700
From: Jammer Six <jammer@oz*.ne*>
To: "techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
On 7/22/98 20:06, Claus Lisberg, clisberg@po*.te*.dk* posted:

>Certainly. I've also learned that a teacher usually has a great deal of
>knowledge, but time spent in what's equivalent to your sunday school showed
>me that blind faith is not the way to go

>Not sure I'm following you here. Debating can in some situations the
>ultimate way of learning something - it'll remove those nagging doubts one
>might have, or even prove a theory utterly wrong.
>
>I question everything, including my own sanity.

"A cat who sits on a hot stove will never again repeat that mistake. 
Unfortunately, neither will it sit on a cold one..."    -Mark Twain

If you're going to base your learning methods on sunday school, we might 
as well quit now, it's hopeless. Blind faith does indeed have it's place, 
and it even has a place in learning. Imitation is an excellent way to 
begin learning, especially with something as complex as diving, where, 
like trades, it simply CAN'T be learned all at once. It takes time, 
period. So how does one survive the first day on the job site, or the 
first 300 dives? Yup. Blind faith, and a well picked teacher.

No one's going to debate you, man. The people here are all pretty well 
set in their views on gear, and none of them care if you share their 
views or not. Once you've *LEARNED*, and become expert in the trade, we 
might have something to talk about. Once you've become an expert diver, 
and designed gear that exceeds that put out by George, Bill, and company, 
they might listen to what you have to say, and even discuss it with you. 
But unless your expertise on their gear equals theirs, you don't stand a 
chance.

The closest you're going to get to debate is to be rediculed for taking a 
stance contrary to the Doing It Right standard, and trying to debate it, 
while the DIR crowd takes pot shots at you. They're not going to debate 
you, they're going to ridicule you. (Tell him, Aaron. Tell him if any of 
the replies you've received have even resembled rational discussion.)

And you can't tell the difference. You think that because they're not 
debating you, that either they don't know what they're talking about, 
your case has merit, or both. Like you just discovered a brand new 
resource, called OMS, that none of them have noticed before.

They're not debating you simply because it's more fun not to. The louder 
you holler, the more fun it is. Ask Mike. He's so blind, they've even 
named a thread after him, and he still doesn't get it.

Doesn't sound very productive to me, but it's your account, your nickel, 
and your time...

Getting information on virtually any subject connected with decompression 
diving out of the WKPP crowd is simple, rewarding, and informative. I've 
tried to show you clowns why you're not getting what you want, 
(explanations and information), and you want to debate it with me.

Guess what? I have a secret for you.

You'll figure it out, I'm sure.

"C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?"
     -First Sergeant Dan Daley
"Who wants to live forever?"
     -Freddie Mercury
"I swear, I'm going to live forever"
     -Jon Bon Jovi

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